Dear Marina and Peggy! Thanks for the beautiful description of the 5 days and the opening ceremony... As I was reading the names of geogrphical places in Siberia, i felt really moved to want to be there..esp. the Altai which we, Hungarians also claim to have had some connections with long long time ago..
Yes, I can imagine the stance and beauty of those 100 women... I just heard a tinge of something else in between the words of *Such a simple idea (ie. lintening to one another) that was apparently not a cultural norm.*".. which i felt inclined to respond to. I know where it comes from actually... In the past 30-55 years of my life, having traveled to what we used to call the West.. I have come across so many misconcepts and strange assumtions about us, people living in the ex- socialist countries that I could write up a whole book about them... I guess that is what I added to the words in my minds' ears... Agota *Agota E.Ruzsa,* Holistic coach, facilitátor and mentor, kiadó www.dialogos.hu. 2014-02-12 16:37 GMT+01:00 Peggy Holman <[email protected]>: > Dear Agota, > > Marina described the context better than I could. As to the opening, there > were no speeches. As Marina said, she and Jan welcomed everyone and waters > were shared. > > Peggy > Sent from my iPad > > 425-746-6274 > www.peggyholman.com > > > On Feb 12, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Тясто Марина В. <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Dear Agota, > > > > Thank you for your interest to this situation. As I've been there too > I'd like to share my impression with you. I think you have perseived that > picture a little bit different. As far as I remember it was an opening > ceremony of the 5 days conference "From the Ideas to the actions". All > participants - women-teams from 5 Siberian regions were sitting in a big > circle. Jan Secor and me as American and Russian co-directors invited > delegations to bring water from their rivers, lakes. American delegation of > 4 trainers brought water from Pugent Sound. Irkutsk delegation brought > water from Lake Baikal and Angara river. Women brought waters from Altai > mountains and Ob-River.n And of course leaders of delegations spoke with > great enthusiasm. The ceremony was so exciting, women didn't know everyone > in the big room. And probably they just wanted to share their excitement > with women sitting next the them. Of course it all was noisy, but really > positive and totally different from Normal Russian conferences when some > important speakers will make speeches to the passively listening > participants. I believe that the conference we are talking about which > included 2 days OST was a real Leadership lab changing women-participants > much more than any other conference or training. > > Peggy Holman was one of the wonderful american trainers team, who did > many consultations to women's NGOs in Novosibirsk and Tomsk and travelled > with us to Irkutsk and Ulan-Ude at the Shamanic Tour around Lake Baikal. > High learning - high play! > > > > All the best, > > > > Marina Tyasto > > Novosibirsk, Russia > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > От: [email protected] [ > [email protected]] от имени Ágota Éva Ruzsa [ > [email protected]] > > Отправлено: 12 февраля 2014 г. 14:09 > > Кому: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Тема: Re: [OSList] Open Space in dictatorship > > > > Dear Peggy, > > > > I would like to reflect to the sentence..." We — the team of 4 women > from the US doing this workshop — had asked the women to introduce > themselves. One by one, they stood and spoke as if they were making a > speech to a crowd. In my minds eye, their words were all in capital letters > with exclamation points (!). The moment the introductions started, the > other women started talking to each other rather than listening to the > person speaking. We stepped in and asked that they listen to each other. > Such a simple idea that was apparently not a cultural norm.".. > > > > Am I right to assume that in the design there were 4 speeches first > offered by locals, then you, or some of you introducing the process which > then was not received by attention??? Is that it?? > > > > In this case, I wonder what the situation would be like - say - in the > MidWest among ordinary local people invited to an OS the first time in > their lives? How would they behave after 4 locals giving a lengthy speech > about the importance of.... and the norm for .... and how impressive and > humbling it is to welcome a team of hosts from Siberia to come and > introduce them to their way of working???... > > Has anyone asked, ie., the participants who they were? what brought them > there? what culture of talking, sharing and expressing themselves they > aplly in their normal days? etc. > > > > I really feel we need to be very contextual and cautious in our > assumptions ...but you also know that, of course... > > > > > > Agota E.Ruzsa, > > Hungary > > > > > > > > 2014-02-11 23:57 GMT+01:00 Peggy Holman <[email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]>>: > > I had the privilege of working with Marina in 2001 with a group of women > leaders in Siberia. > > > > To this day, I remember the opening circle. We — the team of 4 women > from the US doing this workshop — had asked the women to introduce > themselves. One by one, they stood and spoke as if they were making a > speech to a crowd. In my minds eye, their words were all in capital letters > with exclamation points (!). The moment the introductions started, the > other women started talking to each other rather than listening to the > person speaking. We stepped in and asked that they listen to each other. > Such a simple idea that was apparently not a cultural norm. > > > > By the end of the next day, as they worked together in small groups, the > conversations all seemed engaged and authentic, with real listening going > on. > > > > One thing I learned on that trip was to never assume that I could > accurately interpret what was going on. So I wonder...Marina — how do you > remember it? > > > > appreciatively, > > Peggy > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________ > > Peggy Holman > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > Twitter: @peggyholman > > > > 15347 SE 49th Place > > Bellevue, WA 98006 > > 425-746-6274 > > www.peggyholman.com<http://www.peggyholman.com> > > www.journalismthatmatters.org<http://www.journalismthatmatters.org> > > > > Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into > Opportunity<http://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/> > > Check out my series on what's emerging in the news & information > ecosystem< > http://www.journalismthatmatters.net/the_emerging_news_and_information_eco_system > > > > > > "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get > burnt, is to become > > the fire". > > -- Drew Dellinger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Тясто Марина В. <[email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Dear Ulrika, > > > > I echo Elwin as I also have extensive experience of facilitation OST > events in Russia as I live here, especially with different groups of state > and municipal servants in the classroom environment. At the beginning most > of them looked like having freedom shock being invited to post issues they > care for. But after starting discussions they began to change their way of > communication and learning freely and fully. Always coming to the room for > the reports and closing I've observed totally different people - with much > more self-confidence, positive outlook and friendly feelings to each other. > OST actually gives people the first experience of free behavior , > self-organizing, self-learning and real leadership. I hardly could define > Russian case as a real dictatorship, but I don't know about any bad > consequences for the OST meeting participants. Even though some of them > were saying something like: even though I'd be fired after I will organize > something like this in my office - organization I'll do it and finally > tell the truth. > > I'm sure it is important to bring OST to every possible place and share > it with as many people as possible. > > > > All the best, > > > > Marina > > > > ________________________________________ > > От: [email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]> [ > [email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]>] от имени Elwin and Joan [ > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > > Отправлено: 10 февраля 2014 г. 18:09 > > Кому: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Тема: Re: [OSList] Open Space in dictatorship > > > > Ulrika, > > I have Opened Space countless times in nearly every country of the > former Soviet Union, from Eastern Europe to Central Asia. > > In most cases I had the opportunity to return for further development > work. I have never encountered anyone who suffered any retribution as a > result of Open Space participation. To the contrary, I continue to get > email thank you notes from many participants of Open Space dating back more > than a decade. > > > > It always works! > > > > Elwin Guild > > Future Development International > > > > > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2014 11:34 AM, Ulrika Eklund < > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Dear listmembers and all your experience > > > > I would love to take part of your experience and knowledge about > > working with OS in countries operated by dictatorship. A closed space, > > where you are used/allowed to think as The party. "Its a lovely country > > as long as you follow the rules" > > > > For example I had a training course with a group working in the > > authorities and governmental bodies (national and regional level), and > > they listed some of the problems in one area. After they were > > encouraged to brainstorm ideas and solutions on the problems. After the > > task I asked - what was the new ideas and insight you got? New?! We > > repeated what the party already have decided"... so it was more a > > memory test :) An other exampel: in the university where I met the > > students study a Human rights course sponsered by another country. They > > said: "its a good course. Why I asked and the answer was: we are > > allowed to ask questions when we don't understand, you know sometimes > > you read a text in the book and you don't understand and it doesnot > > help to read it many times, here we can ask, and we are also allowed to > > discuss. > > > > So my question - how is Open Space working in this circumstances? How > > you know people that think freely are not punished after? > > > > WIsh you all a lovley week > > Ulrika > > > > > > -- > > Ulrika Eklund > > Bergsgatan 7A > > SE-112 23 Stockholm > > Sweden > > mobile +46-(0)70-699 86 12<tel:%2B46-%280%2970-699%2086%2012> > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to [email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]><mailto: > [email protected]> > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to [email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to [email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >
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