Dear Christine,
you are on the safe side by focusing on expanding time and space for the
forces of selforganisation to unfold and OST is pretty helpful in that
effort.
If you do that, a number of more or less puzzling things will regularly
happen, such as high performance or laughter or heated debate or
peaceful dialog between people that were at each others throats not long
ago, etc.
You "intended" none of that, that is you exerted no control, all you did
is step back and make make more space for selforganisation to do its thing.
In other words, Open Space does not create conditions for high
performance but for the unfolding of selforganisation. And that in turn
does various more or less amazing things that nobody ever imagined to
happen.
In my own practice, I noticed that much of what I think people are
afraid of or are anxious about, are things that I am afraid of or
anxious about. Now this is a question for me as facilitator processing
this stuff in a way that it does not divert me from focusing on holding
time and space. This is not healthy environment for selforganisation to
unfold.
Yes, it might be true, that people prefer to understand how things work.
Indeed, I prefer when I understand things. Looking at the "rules" for a
peacemaker, another word for facilitator, goes like this "Never delude
yourself in thinking you can understand complex stuff" (or something
like that). Again, that too diverts your attention (or in more classical
terms, what I am paid for).
What you report about the management seminar made me shout and lough,
of course, you did supply the explenation for this nonsense: not enough
time, no feedback, diffentiation of the entire group into 5 subgroups, etc.
All conditions under which selforganisation is cramped...
Have a great day
mmp
On 05.03.2014 21:47, christine koehler wrote:
Harrison,
Maybe I am beginning to get it. Maybe not.
You say self-organization is already there, no matter what we do or dont
do. ok.
Maybe the question is not about self-organisation but about high
performance : Hsieh, Gore, Semler's visions only say something about how
they see high performance flow from/in/thru the system. Might be an
attempt to control it, by naming it Holacracy, or even self
organization ? However, from what they say, their way of controling it
might end up with higher levels of performance than "command and
control"systems. Using Open Space creates conditions for high
performance. But then, should we just stop doing deciding and trying
things because no matter what we do the system will self-organize ?
Are we "working too hard" when we try to work differently ?Do you
believe that Zappos would have end up anyway with same performance
withoug the hard work of implementing Holacracy ? Anyway, we will never
know...
My feeling is also that people tend to prefer when they understand how
things work (otherwise they get anxious), and in this regard
self-organization may make things uneasy. Who can tell how it works ?
If you take decision making for instance, and if I take Wosonos as an
example, sometimes the decision making process for the location on the
next one is so obvious to everybody who go through it that everything
seems easy and clear. But sometimes , and for reasons that are quite
unclear to me, it seems that the some people are not happy and the
decision maling process is questioned. Of course this is true with any
decision making process, maybe it's just that some processes are easier
to describe. Our brain needs to be able to simplify complex processes in
order to be comfortable with it.
Right now I am experiencing something interesting : for a management
seminar, a few groups emerged from what I could call a very simplistic
"law of 2 feet" decision making process. ie there was offered
opportunity for 5 groups to emerge, and so it went. (why 5 ? well, that
was completely arbitrary. probably because timing was short and that
there were only very short time to get feedbacks fro the groupn as
feedback was required) . After the seminar where people are asked to
work further on those topics. Management decided not to let leaders of
those groups use the law of 2 feets but members could. (I agree this is
a strange rule). What is happening is that they are questioning the
decision making process : how do we know those topics are the most
important ones ? is this group the best to work on such particular topic
? How can I feel legitimate in being the leader of this group as it is
not my dayjob ? etc.. Would you say that they are working too hard ?
That the system will take care of itself and anyway self-organize, no
matter what we do ?
Christine
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net
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Christine ... “I find very interesting this tension between personal
vision (think about Gore for instance or Semler and Semco) and
self-organization. looks very complex and human to me ;)____
but still wondering how self-organization fits within this kind of
frame.” ____
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It is really easy. Self Organization is already there, but the poor
folks at Zappo think they did it! Surprise – what they really did
was complicate something that could have happened very easily by
itself. Ah! But we humans have to feel we are in control. Even when
we say we aren’t and don’t care to be. The Trojan Horse rides again.
Zappo’d as it were.____
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This reminds me of a very short conversation I had with a
participant of the Practice of Peace seminar last January. He had
left Zappos not so long ago. We exchanged a few words about the
ambiguity of Tony Hsieh mandating Zappos to become holacratic,
because it was his own personal vision.____
I find very interesting this tension between personal vision (think
about Gore for instance or Semler and Semco) and self-organization. ____
looks very complex and human to me ;)____
but stlll wondering how self-organization fits within this kind of
frame.
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Christine, Zappo Holarchs “rolled out” according to the following...
Sounds like sort of a mandate to me. ho____
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Great post, Daniel. Our company worked with Tony Hseigh’s Downtown
Las Vegas Project last year and found the whole thing to be very
self-organizing. ____
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I’m surprised that Zappos is imposing any kind of mandate - where
did you discover this?____
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An invitation arouses curiousity, but a mandate dries up ____
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The Mandate of Holacracy at Zappos:____
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Wikipedia (as usual) has everything you wanted to know... go to --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy
I can certainly imagine Open Space playing a role in
Holacracies, and in
fact the "governance" in a Open Space could certainly be
described as
"Holacratic" -- which is to say "ruling power" is totally
distributed
amongst the participants. But there is a real difference.
Holacracy in Open
Space is totally an emergent phenomenon. Nobody designed it, nobody
implements it -- it just shows up all by itself. Holacracy in
places like
Zappos is a designed phenomenon. Doubtless it works pretty well,
but it does
seem to me that they may be working a little too hard, creating
something
that can and does happen all by itself. I think.
Harrison
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There have been much talk about the relationship of the
organizational ____
chart and how Open Space operates. Recent compareson to me
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link the new self-organizing authority and decision-making
system ____
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I wonder if there are stories on the use of Open space to
transform ____
more traditional system to one of Open Space based
Holacracy? I would ____
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