Harrison, you say:

"...Project Management as currently practiced ... it is usually the absolute a antithesis of OS...

"...Which represents a distinct liability for Project Management, I think."

This is heresy! Heresy I say

We all (likely) realize of course that "project management" represents an absolutely huge industry, with entrenched institutions...deeply invested incumbents with turf to defend, authority to maintain, etc.

This thread is shaping to be a great, self-organizing spectator sport...I'm making some popcorn

On 7/23/14 9:56 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:

Bronwyn -- Personally, I think plans are wonderful, even essential. But I find it very useful to remember that the plan is the plan and not reality, in the same sense that the map is not the territory, the menu the meal, nor the book the experience. Each can be very helpful within limits and in their own way. Plans describe where we are intending to go, they bring us to the head of the trail, so to speak. They even can be helpful along the way as a sort of check list -- but as every good general knows (and will admit) the (battle)Plan is out the window the moment the first bullet flies. Or, as a senior construction engineer confided to me -- the Prints (blue) are out of date when the first shovel is turned.

As for project management and Open Space -- I surely agree that as Project Management as currently practiced ... it is usually the absolute a antithesis of OS. Which represents a distinct liability for Project Management, I think. A more appropriate understanding would be to see the world as totally self organizing sea, and project management is our attempt to plot a course. Of course you can plot any course you want... but at the end the course you sail is dependent upon the winds and tides of the day.

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Mmmm. This is offered with the greatest of respect for previous speakers. I am not on board with any assertion that an implementation plan for complicated - and complex - issues is not hugely valuable. I am not sure if that is what is being said here... It may be semantics.

I would see many activities - building a bridge is the current example - where a robust concept, design and implementation plan is crucial to enabling an outcome that meets requirements: Safety. Performance. Longevity. Good plans are always the outcome of an extensive process of collaboration between diverse groups and individuals. They don't always get along. There is frequently disagreement and /much /iteration to work out the optimal way forward. This process continues every day right through the project to when you cut the red ribbon declaring it open.

Is this process of collaboration what you are thinking of here when you talk about 'open space all the way'?

I would just see that as part of good project management.   ????

I think my question/issue here is that my concept of 'self-organising' is somewhat separate from project management which I see as a process that, if well designed and executed, ensures that all the key voices are heard and taken account of, and then takes a disciplined approach to making sure all the myriad of required actions actually takes place.

Bronwyn

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Nothing ever happens according to the plan. And OS helps with those elements that take us by surprise.



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On Jul 22, 2014, at 5:06 PM, "Harrison Owen" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Chris -- I love your story, but I guess you have never built a
    bridge. Neither have I. But I have been involved in a whole mess
    of large construction projects (The CIA, Dulles International,
    etc) and I can tell you NOTHING ever happened according to The
    Plan. Open Space the whole way!

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    I seek simplicity in trying to describe where and how Open Space
    does it's magic.

    One of the ways I have had excellent success over the years in
    describing this work is derived from David Snowden's work on the
    Cynefin framework.

    The short story is this:

    We are faced all the time with problems that are basically
    knowable, and problems that aren't.  Knowable problems mean that
    with the right knowledge and expertise, they can be fixed.  A
    technical team can come together and analyse the causes, work with
    what's available and craft a solution.  Then they can get an
    implementation plan in place and go ahead and do it.  These kinds
    of problems have a start line and a finish line.  When you are
    done, you are done.  Building a bridge is one of those kinds of
    problems.  You build it and there is no tolerance for failure.  It
    needs to be failsafe.

    Open Space doesn't work well for those kinds of problems because
    the solution is basically already known, or at least knowable.

    Then there are problems for which no know solution exists, and
    even if you did get a solution, you can't really "solve" the
    problem because the problem is due to a myriad of causes and is
    itself emergent. For example, racism.  Look around and you will
    find very few people that identify themselves as racists, but look
    at the stats for Canadian society for example and you see that
    non-white people are trailing in every indicator of societal
    success.  Essentially you are seeing the results of a racist
    society but no racists anywhere.  This is an emergent problem.
     Racism itself is a self-organizing phenomenon, notwithstanding
    the few people that actively engineer racist environments.  Such a
    problem didn't really start anywhere and it can't really end
    either.  What is needed is a way of addressing it, moving the
    system away from the negative indicators and towards something else.

    In other words, this is a complex problem.

    The way to solve complex problems is to create many "strange
    attractors" around which the system can organize itself
    differently.  Open Space nis the best method I know of for
    creating such strange attractors, as they are born from the
    passion and responsibility of those that want to create change,
    and they are amplified by people coming together to work on these
    things.

    It's "post and host" rather than "command and control."

    And because you can't be sure if things are going to work out, you
    have to adopt a particular mindset to your initiative: one that is
    "safe to fail."  In other words, if it doesn't work, you stop
    doing it.  If it does work, you do more of it.  And all the way
    along you build in learning, so that the system can see how change
    is made and be drawn towards those initiatives that are currently
    making a difference.  Certainly this kind of problem solving is
    not useful for building a bridge, as you cannot afford a failure
    there.  But for problems with no known solutions, it is brilliant.

    Harrison has spent decades outlining this simplicity in even less
    words than I have now and his writing and thinking is, and
    continues to be far ahead of it's time and maybe a little under
    appreciated because it is delivered in simple terms like "don't
    work so hard."  But ultimately this is the best and most important
    advice for working in complex systems.

    Open Space.  Do it.  Learn. Do it again. Don't work so hard.

    More than that really starts to build in the delusion that people
    can possibly know what to do.  From that place solutions will be
    deluded.  That they may work is pure luck.  Open Space offers us a
    disciplined approach to addressing complexity in an ongoing way.
     Don't be fooled by its simplicity.

    Chris

    On Jul 21, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Harrison Owen <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Love what you are saying... and I think you may be working much
    too hard. From where I sit, the basic reality is that all the
    World is self-organizing. That includes all the stuff we think we
    "organized." So the bottom line is -- we are all self organizing,
    and some of us are doing it better. Which is to say that some
    folks are struggling to invent what is already happening "all by
    itself," and others are allowing (appreciating) what is happening
    all by itself. For me, Open Space is simply a great way of
    "practicing" what is already happening. Even if we think it isn't.
    Or something.

    Harrison

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    Hello Harrison, David S and David O,

    I find the thread of this conversation very interesting and
    inspiring. In my opinion, the success of using OS to transform
    businesses in self-organizing organizations depends of the way you
    do it. It is very different to use OS as a means to experience a
    different way of organization than using OS as a means to allow
    organizations to have an experience of themselves from a context
    of self-organization.

    An option of the first approach is to use OS as an isolated
    practice in the "old system". This way maybe it can help to fix
    something, but it is very possible that it is not going to make a
    real difference, if the organization does not transfer in any way
    the underlying conditions of OS to its everyday environment.

    An example of the second approach is to use OS as a Trojan horse,
    acting like a hacker. Under this scenario, the organization adopt
    OS as a common practice because its effectiveness to solve
    problems or to foster innovation, or whatever. This way, its
    continued use over time probably generates a new cultural context
    that facilitates the emergence of self-organization. It could take
    time, but the chance that self-organization put down roots is
    higher than with the first approach.

    Agustin

    PS - Recently I read a book that shows the cases of some
    organizations that are defying the "old system" very succesfully.
    The name of the book is Reinventing Organizations written  by
    Frederic Laloux.

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    David, Listen to your words..."we're exploring the question of how
    can we have some structure and boundaries and  yet provide space
    for self-organization. It's hard to find models that enable both."

    I hate to say it, and you won't be surprised, but I think you are
    working much too hard. Sounds to me suspiciously like a variant of
    "organizing a self organizing system." Especially that part about
    "find(ing) models." The systems you are contemplating (your
    business and the Association) are their own best models. Nothing
    else will even come close because they are unique. And if self
    organization is anything like I think it is, one of its major
    activities is the creation of "structures and boundaries." That,
    by definition, is what self organizing systems do, along with a
    few other things. So the key activity for me would be to stop
    looking for models, and start paying careful attention to how your
    two self organizing systems naturally express themselves in
    structure and form.

    Initially your task will be complicated by all those "other"
    structures and forms that have been laid on, arbitrarily I would
    say, just because it seemed like a good idea at the time -- in
    accord with the latest "models," or "accepted practice." After
    all, we think we all know what an organization SHOULD look like.J

    But there is a way through the forest, I think, which is actually
    the "design principle" I employed in the development of Open Space
    Technology. You've heard it before.*Think of one more thing NOT to
    do*. Just keep striping away those forms and procedures that you
    thought to be essential for your organizations' function. Don't
    try to do it all at once, and start with what I might call the low
    hanging fruit. Those things that just get done, even though nobody
    can remember why.

    Then notice what happens. If something comes back, that is pretty
    good evidence that it was a natural form or structure, and your
    systems, in their own wisdom, felt the need. On the other hand, if
    it stays gone, just say bye, bye, enjoy the new space, and get on
    with your business.

    It is true, of course that some structures and forms are required
    by external authorities: Taxes, annual reports, and the like. In
    those situations, I have found it helpful to ask, "What is the
    minimal level of form and structure required to get the job done?"
    For some reason, people seem to make the simplest things
    unendingly complicated./In extremis/there is a presumption that if
    it is simple, it can't be any good. I've noticed this on more than
    one occasion with the public perception of OST, especially among
    those who have never been involved. I suppose this has something
    to do with the Expert Syndrome -- if you make it complicated
    enough you will surely require the services of an Expert to help
    you through. For a fee of course. And to be honest, we in the OS
    community sometimes seem to be guilty of the same thing.

    So there are some suggestions to get started. If you want more,
    and probably more than you want -- you might take a look at Part
    II of/Wave Rider/, "A Wave Rider's Guide to the Future." And for a
    slightly different slant see Part IV of the/Power of Spirit,/"The
    Care and Feeding of the Interactive Organization." And just to be
    clear, an Interactive Organization is my term for a conscious,
    self organizing system.

    Harrison

    PS -- And for the record, all of the above are by yours truly and
    available from Amazon.com <http://Amazon.com> and the publisher,
    Berrett-Koehler.

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    Harrison,

    I had to laugh at my own words as I re-read them../."support
    leaders in adopting approaches that move toward greater and
    greater levels of self-organization." /The system of course is
    self-organizing all the time !!!

    Opening space enables the system it to move closer and closer to
    high performance versus stuckness, stagnation, decline and death.
     If I restate what I was trying to express, I think we can Open
    Space in big ways as an OS does and/or in small ways through the
    openness in leadership approaches that provide more space for
    passion, creativity, personal responsibility etc. This is working
    at the micro-level though versus the full paradigm shift you
    describe. I agree with your description whole-heartedly.

    You raise for me very pragmatic questions. Both in our small
    company, ChangeFusion, and in a global membership organization I'm
    involved in we're exploring the question of how can we have some
    structure and boundaries and  yet provide space for
    self-organization. it's hard to find models that enable both.

    I'd love to hear if others have suggestions of examples.

    David

    On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Harrison Owen <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Hello David O. and David S. I've re-titled to give the thread a
    new name if only because I think it is headed in some new
    directions with hopefully a long and useful discussion in prospect.

    This discussion may get a little difficult as we attempt to define
    and understand the words we are using, "Management," for example.
    I had in mind the more common garden variety of Management's role
    in organizations. As Wikipedia (that source of all useful
    information) notes, "Despite the move toward workplace democracy,
    command-and-control organization structures remain commonplace as
    /de facto/ organization structure." (Wikipedia). Back in the old
    days a common definition of a good manager was one who, "Makes the
    plan, manages to the plan, and meets the plan." And we all know
    how that was supposed to be done. Single word: Control. Lots of
    Command and Control.

    David has moved in new, interesting and effective directions
    saying, "What I have found is that as I'm able to share the
    conditions that support self-organization and how they can be
    integrated into individuals leadership approach that the leaders
    move toward approaches that support greater and greater
    self-organization."

    I applaud the effort, but it seems to me it may be rather a half
    step. If I hear David's words correctly, the fundamental
    understanding of "organization" remains unchanged (predesigned
    structure and controls with Leaders/Managers in charge) and the
    new effort is to enable "leaders (to) move toward approaches that
    support greater and greater self-organization." Tactically I can
    certainly understand the approach, but what if organization is
    fundamentally, essentially, in totality -- Self Organizing? If
    that is the situation, "greater and greater self organization"
    makes little sense for a very simple reason. It is all self
    organizing to begin with! But I guess that is just splitting
    hairs, and for sure the heart is moving in the right direction.

    The revolutionary in me (and yes there is some of thatJ) would
    dearly love to shake the organizational world by the scruff of the
    neck saying something like, Move on, Wake up! You just can't get
    there from here. And for a certainty, such an approach would have
    no chance of success. There needs to be a change in view, I am
    sure -- but forced change, were it even possible, falls back on
    the old way which wasn't effective then and won't work now. And
    there is another way which unfortunately requires some patient
    waiting. But we may not have to wait that long.

    It is a very common lament -- that, "things just aren't working."
    What "things" and the nature of their dysfunction are often left
    unsaid, but the universal uneasiness is pretty clear. To date, the
    usual response has been to do more and more of what we've always
    done, but maybe with a different name (Quality Circles, Process
    Re-Engineering, Dialogue, maybe even AGILE when mandated etc.).
    The results have not been inspiring. Some would even include Open
    Space Technology as a new tool. But I don't think that works
    either if the intent is to fix the old system.

    As the lament continues, some strange things are happening. Every
    now and again something actually WORKS! And it works even when the
    plans are busted, the leadership is incompetent, the environment
    sour and threatening. Who knows how or why -- but it worked. The
    Brits usually call this Muddling Through, which is what happens
    when everything goes a different way than it was supposed to --
    but it all turns out fine. Phew!

    There is another name for this strange phenomenon. Anomaly.
    Anomaly literally means being outside the law (lawless) from the
    Greek/a/(without)/nomos/(law).  Anomalies cause one to scratch the
    head in wonder...How on earth could THAT happen? Most often, we
    just pass them by with a dismissive, "weird!" I think that is a
    mistake.

    Peter Vaill, an old friend and colleague, had a knack for
    seriously noticing anomalies. He observed that some organizations
    performed at levels of excellence that definitely blew away the
    competition. He called them High Performing Systems. The problem
    was, these systems broke all the rules of how organizations were
    supposed to work. As a Professor of Management, Peter could be
    accused of a flawed effort because instead of attempting to
    analyze how they worked, Peter contented himself with a delightful
    description of what they did, which he captured in a short paper
    (1977/), The Behavioral Characteristics of High Performing
    Systems/. I say delightful because he wrote in a totally
    colloquial fashion, and definitely not in the style of Academe,
    even though he was the (then) Dean of the Business School at
    George Washington University.

    Writing almost 10 years before Open Space Technology, Peter seems
    prescient, for his "Behavioral Characteristics" are a perfect
    description of the common behavior at every Open Space I have ever
    seen. Taking a tall leap in logic, I have argued (Wave Rider) that
    the link between Peter's High Performing Systems, and what we have
    experienced in Open Space is the phenomenon of self organization.
    Or put somewhat differently, High Performing Systems are well
    functioning self organizing systems. And in function and effect
    they are definitely anomalous for according to the accepted
    wisdom, they simply could not happen or do what they do!

    On the subject of Anomaly and the importance of same, the work of
    Thomas Kuhn comes to mind. Author of, "The Structures of
    Scientific Revolutions," Kuhn gave us that wonderful concept,
    "paradigm," as in Paradigm Shift. As an historian of Science, Kuhn
    describes how the scientific world grew in wisdom and stature,
    passing through several understandings of the nature of things, on
    the way to new (and presumably better) ones. That passage he
    called, Paradigm Shifts. According to his story, the scientific
     or learned community held a certain view of reality for a period
    of time, which worked very well, and seemed to explain most, if
    not all, of the phenomenon of their experience. This view
    (paradigm) was taken as The Truth, and defended with ferocity. For
    example, everybody "knew" at one time that the Earth was the
    center of everything and those who disagreed were considered
    heretics, and often dispatched. Galileo, for instance. Then funny
    little anomalies began to show up as people observed the heavens.
    If the anomalies were not an illusion then Earth centeredness was
    false -- which everybody knew must be wrong, insanity, or worse.
    But the anomalies refused to go away, which made people more and
    more uncomfortable, to say nothing of angry. Then one shinning day
    the view shifted. Same old heavens as before but seen with totally
    new eyes. Paradigm shift. Very powerful and never comfortable.

    This brief sojourn into the History of Science can be helpful to
    our present concerns, I think, for we are facing a very similar
    situation in our understanding of organizations, as well as
    management. The traditional understanding of organization, and
    therefore management, has been around for a long time. As with all
    paradigms, it is taken to be The Truth, and those who challenge
    will inevitably be subject to dismissal at the beginning, changing
    to discomfort, and perhaps ending with anger. The reason is very
    simple. The investments in this particular paradigm are enormous,
    and include ways of life, ways of making a living, and for some,
    life itself. Messing with all of that cannot be done lightly.

    And yet the anomalies persist. Some are quite subtle and are
    perceived only as a growing sense that "things are not working as
    we expected." However, when the system/organization seems broken,
    it is clear that we must fix it and we think we know how. If the
    organizational process is screwy, then obviously we need Process
    Re-Engineering. But it didn't work. We try harder and harder,
    doing variants of what we've always done, and (surprisingly) we
    get what we've always got. But hope springs eternal, and someday
    we will find The Fix. Or so it says in all the books. Maybe.

    Other anomalies are not so subtle. Open Space Technology is such
    an anomaly. I believe it to be true that Open Space violates
    virtually all principles and practices of traditional
    organizational theory and management practice. To the extent that
    it (OS) works as we have experienced it working -- much if not all
    of current practice is called into question. My view is doubtless
    biased, but some 20 years ago, a senior official from the American
    Society for Training and Development (pardon the repeat) seemingly
    had the same impression when he told me, after hearing what
    happened in Open Space, "Harrison, if what you say is true, then
    99% of what we are currently do does not need to be done." I would
    have been greatly relieved had I been able to argue with him. But
    I couldn't. I can't.

    So David(s) -- where does that leave us? Discretion might dictate
    picking up our toys and going home. Others might suggest heading
    for the barricades. Personally I don't think either possibility is
    very useful. I simply cannot deny what I have experienced in Open
    Space, nor can I resist the compulsion to share the experience in
    whatever way with whomsoever might show up. I think the bottom
    line may come down to: Move slowly with empathy, and be prepared
    to wait.

    And what would that mean for us and what we do...? At a practical
    level, it could mean something like this. Let's suppose that the
    Management of a very traditional Organization shows up on our
    doorstep. They are concerned that organizational function is
    dismal, the people seem to dislike each other and what they are
    doing, and profits have disappeared. The request is simple: Help!
     Somewhere they heard about Open Space and believe (hope) it could
    fix their system, or at least make a start.

    It sounds like a marvelous opportunity, and a natural response
    would be, YES! At least that would be my response. All the
    essential preconditions for OS seem to be in place (real issue,
    complexity, etc) -- BUT ... There are some issues to consider.
    First, if by "fixing their system" the client means that the
    "traditional Organization" is going to be put back together as it
    once was, that is a real problem, I think. The reason is simple --
    the root of their problems is precisely the system (understanding
    of organization) they were working under. Make it even stronger.
    Were I to design a system that would maximize separation and
    alienation, minimize creativity and collaboration -- I don't think
    I could do any better than the system they were operating under.
    Fixing, or restoring that system would only compound their misery.
    Secondly, Doing an Open Space in that organization is quite likely
    to increase the general dissatisfaction with how things are done.
    As one senior executive from a very traditional organization said
    to me following an Open Space we did, "You have ruined me for work
    in this place. I am not sure whether to thank you or hate you."
    Talk about being caught on the horns of a dilemma! If fully
    successful with my task (opening space), I will have failed the
    clients' primary expectations (fixing the system) and
    simultaneously raised the level employee dissatisfaction.

    All true, I think. And I would still do the Open Space, but my
    reasons could cause some problems unless very carefully explained,
    and that explanation itself is problematical. At one level I will
    do the Open Space because I know that it will enable people to be
    more comfortable, powerful, sure of themselves. That's the easy
    part. But at another level I will do the Open Space in order to
    introduce anomaly... one more nudge towards Paradigm Shift.

    I know full well that I can't shift paradigms for people. The same
    is true of Transformation, which has a lot to do with paradigm
    shift. Both will happen all by themselves...or not. But I can and
    will nudge when given the opportunity. After that it is all about
    waiting...

    So what do you think about all that?

    Harrison

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    *Sent:*Monday, February 03, 2014 9:47 AM
    *To:*World wide Open Space Technology email list
    *Subject:*Re: [OSList] Trust

    I'm not sure I agree OS fails as a management
    tool.....Self-Organization has become the lens I look at all my
    work as an individual who supports groups and organizations in
    change and in my leadership and management development work. It's
    not an either / or for me os works or doesn't work as a management
    tool.

    Leadership is simply supporting an organization in moving toward
    its goals. The invitation in OS is the goal or issue that people
    care about. What I have found is that as I'm able to share the
    conditions that support self-organization and how they can be
    integrated into individuals leadership approach that the leaders
    move toward approaches that support greater and greater
    self-organization. This is not top-down, traditional leadership or
    management. As you propose in Wave-Rider Harrison, I believe the
    principles of OS / self-organization can be integrated as a
    leadership approach with great results.

    David

    On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Harrison Owen <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    David -- I would totally agree that OS"utterly fails as a
    management tool." Then again I think that OS shares this
    fate/condition with all other "management tools," at least as I
    understand "management" and "tool" in the context of enabling
    effective human performance. And thereby hang the beginning of a
    long and useful discussion, I think.

    ho

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    <mailto:[email protected]>]*On Behalf
    Of*David stevenson
    *Sent:*Monday, February 03, 2014 1:51 AM
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    *Subject:*Re: [OSList] Trust

    Ho indeed Harrison! OpenSpace opens space for freedom of spirit
    and heart, choice and the weaving of our fates and destinies with
    that of our world, it does not achieve complience and so, at least
    to the extent that people are to be managed...

    On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Harrison Owen <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Brendan said: "And in my view , all germinating from that initial
    transfer of trust between mentor and sponsor" Right on! I don't
    think it makes a bit of difference how elegantly one "does" the
    Open Space. It is really all about TRUST. When I said that anybody
    with a good heart and good mind can "do it," that is just a long
    winded way of saying what I've always found to be true. Expertise
    is interesting. Integrity and Trust are essential. A new comer to
    the OS world, opening space for the very first time, muffing some
    lines, and forgetting others -- can do every bit as well as a 20
    year veteran. The coin of the realm is Integrity, authenticity,
    trust. But none of that should be news, for that trio is the
    bedrock of all positive human encounter, I think. Which may just
    be another way of pointing out that OS is not some special process
    we do, it is just life lived well. Or something.

    ho

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    Potomac, MD 20854

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    Camden, Maine 04843

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    Behalf Of*Brendan McKeague
    *Sent:*Saturday, February 01, 2014 12:57 AM
    *To:*World wide Open Space Technology email list
    *Subject:*Re: [OSList] Sponsor PreWork Conversation (long)

    A very interesting question Chuni Li...

    The sponsor was being mentored by one of my colleagues in our
    local Open Space community of practice (Wave Riders) who suggested
    to him that OS was the right method/model for the task at hand.
     As his coach (the formal role as perceived by the organisation),
    my colleague encouraged the sponsor to get in touch with me to
    avoid any perceived conflict of interest. The sponsor researched
    OS for himself first and then engaged me to provide the specialist
    knowledge....Harrison often says that anyone with a good heart and
    head can open space - and I agree - while at the same time, I
    acknowledge that 'Open Space wisdom' is often helpful, if not
    necessary, in situations of increased complexity and potential
    conflict.

    After his initial attraction to OS in theory, and as part of his
    research, the sponsor then ran a mini Open Space within his own
    jurisdiction to see how it worked in reality - he wished to speak
    from his lived experience when engaging with his higher-uppers.
     He also watched a few of the growing library of YouTube clips
    that are so wonderful for educating potential sponsors.

    Now totally convinced, the transfer of trust was complete at
    various levels....trusting the process (OST works) AND trusting
    the facilitator (who was aligned with the essence of OST - i.e
    living in it) AND trusting that both facilitator and process were
    'fit-for-purpose' in this context.

    And in my view , all germinating from that initial transfer of
    trust between mentor and sponsor

    Hope this story helps

    Cheers Brendan

    On 31/01/2014, at 1:10 PM,[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>wrote:

    Thank you Brendan for taking the time to organize and share this
    information - so precious and such a generous gift!

    I am curious about the sponsor who "put his neck out" to make the
    event happen.

    Had he experienced OST before? Did you have to "convince" him?
    What made him willing to "jump through the hoops?" Was it the OST
    process or was it you that he trusted?

    Chuni Li

    New Jersey

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