Laurel, Well said.
Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doersam, Laurel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Facilitator training > Thanks for your input, Birgitt. The powerpoint demonstration was merely an > adjunct to the discussion. In fact, the givens, as you've so > comprehensively described, enjoyed significant and lively discussion during > the course of the training. The slides you refer to were actually taken > intact from Jimbo's presentation, and I thought they were a delightful way > to frame the discussion on givens. As for "shamelessly plagiarizing", I'm > not worried about that - it was joke. Of course, I asked Harrison's > permission to use his materials (likewise, Jimbo). I feel a certain caution > about becoming too strident about OST, which is, I believe, an essentially > playful process. I'd also be a little cautious about calling into question > a colleague's ethics and integrity. While many of us lack the historical > background on OST that you enjoy (and so would not know and therefore > acknowledge that the givens were YOUR contribution), I believe that even > neophytes (in any field) can make worthwhile contributions. > > Laurel. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Birgitt Williams [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 10:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Facilitator training > > > Laurel, > I don't recall a discussion on the dilemma of certification. I do recall a > discussion about standards of Open Space Technology, ethics and integrity > (wholeness). > > And now about a new Open Space Technology concept, your admission of > "shameless plagarizing". In some professional circles, this would not be > tolerated. I wonder if it is really what you might want pulled up out of the > archives at some point in the future by someone who might send it elsewhere? > > I would like to clarify for the list and for the archives the topic of > "givens" --your slides 64 and 65. You have provided here an excellent > example of what I was raising in my concerns of a few weeks ago of > standards, ethics, and integrity...Or the lack of. In about 1993 (I would > have to look up the correspondence for the exact dates) I introduced the > notion of the "givens" as a critical factor of Open Space Technology. In the > early days of my contribution, Harrison debated and disagreed with me saying > Open Space Technology was bounded by passion and responsibility. Eventually, > "the givens" made it into OST training and practice. In my experience and > knowledge, getting the theme and the "givens" right is critical in a Open > Space Technology event that makes a difference in the organization over the > long haul. If my contributions are to be( in your own words) "shamelessly > plagarized", likely having been translated by Jimbo from our training > together and then to you for further translation by you, I would appreciate > accuracy. For the benefit of those who intend to use your slides in the hope > of great outcomes, I submit to the list and archives (unfortunately I can't > make this right to the many other hundreds who likely now have your > Powerpoint presentation) that when we work with "givens", the "givens" that > need to be determined are the following: > 1. purpose of the meeting > 2. direction of the meeting > 3. laws of the land must be adhered to (which particular pieces of > legislation?) > 4. givens pertaining to structure (ie: it is a given that we have a > structure, it is not a given that we retain this specific structure) > 5. financial > 6. process > 7. what is to happen to the information from the meeting (ie: will it be on > a website? will others beyond our organization see it?) > 8. how the group will know what has happened in the future as a result of > the meeting via communication or another meeting during which they are > accountable to each other > 9. handling of matters of confidentiality for competitive edge/intellectual > property > > > Every OST faciitator will do this all as he or she interprets and sees fit. > However, when we train others, I believe it is essential that we go back to > the roots. I acknowledge Harrison for his work and then very clearly note > what my addition/or interpretation is so that people have a chance to make > up their own minds about what is Open Space Technology and what is it not. > > Birgitt > -----Original Message----- > From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of > Doersam, Laurel > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:00 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Facilitator training > > > Hi Leslie, > > Thanks for your kind comments. Harrison's posting that I mentioned was sent > on Sept. 3/00. It's really well worth reading - it was in response to the > discussion on the listserve about the dilemma of certification of OST > facilitators. Some of these slides were pilfered from Jimbo's ppt > presentation - most of the more pragmatic, nuts and bolts, explanatory ones > (mine are the more "out there airy-fairy right brain" ones!!) > > Warmly, > > Laurel. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dagostino, Leslie (Leslie) [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Facilitator training > > > Laurel, > > What a cool story! If you really meant it, I'd love to see your power point > presentation. I use OST in a corporate setting and continually seek to > enhance my OST "marketing" materials. I think you were masterful in working > with the facilitator team. So often, they can be the most difficult people > to deal with! The self-discovery aspects of OST are so powerful. I am also > not sure about "Harrison's wonderful listserve posting about convergence and > how it depended on the group and the circumstances. ("Am I > anti-convergence?. . . ")." Can you point me to it? I just got on the > listserve. Congratulations on a wonderful training. > > Leslie D'Agostino > 630-713-9858 > > > - > > * > * > ========================================================== > [email protected] > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > view the archives of [email protected] > Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > =========================================================== > [email protected] > To subscribe, > 1. Visit: http://www.egroups.com/group/oslist > 2. Sign up -- provide an email address, > and choose a login ID and password > 3. Click on "Subscribe" and follow the instructions > > To unsubscribe, change your options, > view the archives of [email protected]: > 1. Visit: http://www.egroups.com/group/oslist > 2. 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