Hello Toni, John and all: At 09:11 08-05-2002 -0700, Toni Petrinovich wrote:
And I wish to point out that it was not Jesus the Man/Christ who said that he was God - it was man who said that he was. Jesus (if indeed he did say the words that are often quoted as his) simply said that he and the Father were one. Out of this mankind (and the Catholic Church in particular) has extrapolated the belief system that he is the ONLY Son of God - albeit that you must first believe in a God to believe it can have a Son. Yet, if you go beneath the words (which have been VERY poorly translated over the years) to what he could have meant, there lies a very great possibility that he was talking of himself as being part of that energy source of which we are all a part (including Buddhists) and not an anthropomorphic god at all.
At 20:23 08-05-2002 -0400, john engle wrote:
for a convincing read, reinforcing your point that jesus is misrepresented by authors of the bible, get the book, "jesus against christianity," by jack nelson-pallmeyer. i attended a seminar with him this past weekend. he is a professor of non-violence at a catholic university and believes that jesus and god are pacifists and that other authors of the bible had it wrong.
Yes, I agree with both of you (and I will get the book). The man-Jesus you described is the one I very much admire. People that claim to be his followers (and I think that too often they ARE NOT) are the ones that I don't admire... Regards Artur PS: I am sorry if for some people this discussion seams to be off-topic. I am more and more convinced that to Open Space (for peace, namelly, but not only) we have to discuss something that is always undiscussed and undiscussable - the role that religions always had, and still have today, in promoting wars. I will, came back to that in a few days. * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected], Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
