I understood, Harrison, that you were talking about our individual delete buttons. I thought I was in an open space and that I was free to freely associate your words with my thoughts and move on to new thoughts. That's how I came to pose the question: would it be possible to put a delete function into the archives so individuals are free to delete their posts. It was a suggestion. It was not a criticism of what is already being done. It was not done with a sense of urgency or command. I was thinking out loud.
There seems to be some unspoken rank and privilege in this putatively open space, an assumption that whereas if this were a physical open space in a conference center, I could butterfly my thoughts hither and thither. . . but here it feels like only long time members are free to freely speak their thoughts.
>From: Harrison Owen <
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>Subject: Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain
>Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:47:20 -0500
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>Just for the record -- I was talking about your own, personal DELETE BUTTON.
>What you choose to do with that is what you choose to do. On the other hand,
>if you choose to "unsubscribe" -- I call that exercising the two feet (Law
>or not).
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>From: OSLIST [mailto:
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>Mcinerney
>Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 3:35 PM
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>Subject: Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain
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>I am not sure that [delete] is the same as the law of two feet. Deleting a
>message erases it from the record, creating the impression that it never
>happened but does not mean that the absence of learning or contribution is
>occuring. A session participant cannot request his or her contributions to
>be excluded from the session record because they don't want it to be
>available to all.
>
>Another issue will be the replies that contain the initial message. Are
>they also to be deleted because they contain something that someone does
>not wish to be archived? Does the whole conversation have to disappear to
>eliminate references to some contribution or other? That feels like space
>closing to me.
>
>There is a difference between saying things that we later regret, saying
>things that we intend for a limited audiance and saying things for the
>whole world to hear, I know. In the heat of the conversation I'm not sure
>any of us is realy clear as to who we intend our words for. It reminds us
>to be careful. I am also reminded of the injunction to be harmless in
>thought, word and deed. I am one of those who belive that our very
>thoughts have an energy that adds, for better or worse, to the global mind
>of humanity and that deletion or limitation of access makes no difference
>in the great scheme of things.
>
>Really hard choices are given to really good people. Well done one and all.
>
>Shay
>
> > I think of my online list serv communications on a par with verbal
> > communication. Things I post online are akin, in my thinking, to things I
> > say with my voice in face to face conversations. I do not control my
> > words
> > once they are verbalized and I do not control my thoughts/ideas once they
> > are posted. We can come up with many structures to attempt to control
> > how
> > our ideas/words/thoughts are interpreted by another. . . but no matter
> > what
> > structures we adopt, the mercurial quicksilver reality of ideas will
> > remain
> > ephemeral. Even if we privatize the archives of this list, something I do
> > not think we should do, we will not control the combustion of thinking or
> > the context of another person's use of our ideas. I don't quite think of
> > open space as a technology. . . I think of it as an explanation for how
> > things actually work, as opposed to the illusion that form and structure
> > could control the nature of reality. If open space is a good explanation
> > of
> > how things work then efforts to privatize thinking is, in the very big
> > picture, and in my humble opinion(IMHO), absolutely futile.
> >
> > Given my beliefs about the nature of reality and the relativity of time
> > and
> > space, I don't think it matters if the archives for this list are open or
> > closed BUT I have a suggestion. Would it be possible to give people the
> > ability to delete their posts? A delete function might give people a
> > different sense of safety on this list. . . and such a function would be,
> > IMHO, akin to the law of two feet.
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