Therese - please be my guest. I thought I was dealing with a misunderstanding, and obviously you were off on flights of fancy. Cool. As for the edit/delete function on this Listserve, I believe the answer is no. but somebody with greater learning will have to answer. I do know that when you use something like Confer/Caucus you can edit and delete to your hearts content.
ho Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20845 Phone 301-365-2093 Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com/> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm [email protected] To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Therese Fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain I understood, Harrison, that you were talking about our individual delete buttons. I thought I was in an open space and that I was free to freely associate your words with my thoughts and move on to new thoughts. That's how I came to pose the question: would it be possible to put a delete function into the archives so individuals are free to delete their posts. It was a suggestion. It was not a criticism of what is already being done. It was not done with a sense of urgency or command. I was thinking out loud. There seems to be some unspoken rank and privilege in this putatively open space, an assumption that whereas if this were a physical open space in a conference center, I could butterfly my thoughts hither and thither. . . but here it feels like only long time members are free to freely speak their thoughts. >From: Harrison Owen <[email protected]> >Reply-To: OSLIST <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:47:20 -0500 > >Just for the record -- I was talking about your own, personal DELETE BUTTON. >What you choose to do with that is what you choose to do. On the other hand, >if you choose to "unsubscribe" -- I call that exercising the two feet (Law >or not). > ho > >Harrison Owen >7808 River Falls Drive >Potomac, Maryland 20845 >Phone 301-365-2093 > >Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com >Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org >Personal website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm >[email protected] >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Seamus >Mcinerney >Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 3:35 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain > >I am not sure that [delete] is the same as the law of two feet. Deleting a >message erases it from the record, creating the impression that it never >happened but does not mean that the absence of learning or contribution is >occuring. A session participant cannot request his or her contributions to >be excluded from the session record because they don't want it to be >available to all. > >Another issue will be the replies that contain the initial message. Are >they also to be deleted because they contain something that someone does >not wish to be archived? Does the whole conversation have to disappear to >eliminate references to some contribution or other? That feels like space >closing to me. > >There is a difference between saying things that we later regret, saying >things that we intend for a limited audiance and saying things for the >whole world to hear, I know. In the heat of the conversation I'm not sure >any of us is realy clear as to who we intend our words for. It reminds us >to be careful. I am also reminded of the injunction to be harmless in >thought, word and deed. I am one of those who belive that our very >thoughts have an energy that adds, for better or worse, to the global mind >of humanity and that deletion or limitation of access makes no difference >in the great scheme of things. > >Really hard choices are given to really good people. Well done one and all. > >Shay > > > I think of my online list serv communications on a par with verbal > > communication. Things I post online are akin, in my thinking, to things I > > say with my voice in face to face conversations. I do not control my > > words > > once they are verbalized and I do not control my thoughts/ideas once they > > are posted. We can come up with many structures to attempt to control > > how > > our ideas/words/thoughts are interpreted by another. . . but no matter > > what > > structures we adopt, the mercurial quicksilver reality of ideas will > > remain > > ephemeral. Even if we privatize the archives of this list, something I do > > not think we should do, we will not control the combustion of thinking or > > the context of another person's use of our ideas. I don't quite think of > > open space as a technology. . . I think of it as an explanation for how > > things actually work, as opposed to the illusion that form and structure > > could control the nature of reality. If open space is a good explanation > > of > > how things work then efforts to privatize thinking is, in the very big > > picture, and in my humble opinion(IMHO), absolutely futile. > > > > Given my beliefs about the nature of reality and the relativity of time > > and > > space, I don't think it matters if the archives for this list are open or > > closed BUT I have a suggestion. Would it be possible to give people the > > ability to delete their posts? 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