Wonderful to see you back online, Peggy -- and to know that the Sun actually shines in Seattle. As for your discussion on COSMOS etc -- I think we need more SWAMPS. Swamps (those grungy, smelly places where turtles hang out) are always getting a bad rap. But they really are wonderful. Life begins there for lots of critters, and the forms are always emergent and new. Of course it is sort of a mess, but that seems to be what life is all about -- a good mess. And when we finally get it all straightened out -- well I think it is over. So here's to Swamps and messes. And to you too Peggy. And you can make whatever you like out of that sequence -- swamp, mess, Peggy. . . .
ho Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20845 Phone 301-365-2093 Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm [email protected] To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peggy Holman Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Hierarchies, decision making and a real-life example Ah, Michael, you caught me. I used the broad term (CAS) when really meaning that elusive subset sometimes called the conscious self-organizing system, sometimes named as an open space organization. What I mean by these terms remains a challenge for me to describe. My latest attempt is organizations that aspire to operate with ever increasing capacity for emergent leadership and form. What to call it? How about COSMOS for Consciously Opening Space - More - OrganizationS. How's that for including the whole of it? > Another thing that puzzles me: What exactly was the decision/action > that Michael H took? Sorry I didn't explicitly name what I saw as Michael's decision. It was actually just a query he made that caused our listserv hosts to flip a switch making the archives available without registering for the list. The name aside, my reflections still stand. I experience something tangibly different about communities and organizations where the mix of rigidity and fluidity in leadership and form is heavily on the fluid end of the spectrum such that roles and structure are more likely to emerge based on passion and responsibility. >From Seattle, where the sun is actually shining two days in a row, Peggy _______________________________ Peggy Holman The Open Circle Company 15347 SE 49th Place Bellevue, WA 98006 425.746.6274 www.opencirclecompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pannwitz, Michael M" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Hierarchies, decision making and a real-life example > Dear Peggy, > and here I thought all systems and organizations (traditional or > whatever) are complex adaptive systems? > Also, I had the hunch from my long life in a "traditional" > organization (and that enforces my question on all systems being CAS) > that things there often appeared to happen regardless, in spite of , > etc. what decisions were being taken at the "top". In fact, if those > decisions from the "top" would really have had the impact imagined, > the organization would long have gone out of busisness. > Another thing that puzzles me: What exactly was the decision/action > that Michael H took? > Greetings from Berlin > mmp > > > * > ========================================================== > [email protected] > ------------------------------ > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > view the archives of [email protected], > Visit: > > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected], Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected], Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
