I don't know your culture, Yana, but it is a violation of my cultural norms for you to post a private email to a public list. You have no right to publish my words without my permission. This reflects the bullying energy I have sensed all along from the way you folks get things done. I happen to be a lawyer so I will point out to you that I own the copyright to my words and even though it is easy, with the slick of a button, to steal my words and publish them to this list, it is wrong for you to have done so.
But, as it happens, I am an open person and it is okay with me if people know I am angry. I have a response to the person who said "she has been nasty before". . . . I do not think I was nasty in that letter. I talked about what I think and feel. If, when you read what I think and feel and you have reactive feelings to my expressionn of MY thoughts and feelings, well, I am not responsible for your reactions, even if you think, somehow, that I am responsible for your thoughts and feelings. I am not. Not ever. It is my experience that sharing what I really think is always a gift to a community. I will not write an expletive to this list but, please, Yana, please read between the lines: .....blank you for taking my words, without my permission, and publishing them. You have proven, to me, that you folks in Kiev are a bunch of bullies. On 4/10/07, Harrison Owen <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Harrison Owen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:09 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: angry feedback Goodness -- I started OSONOS a long time ago. Must have been 12 years. Seemed like a good idea to open a space for people who open space just to share what they were doing. First ones were in Washington, DC then it sort of migrated around the world. Australia, Germany, Canada, India, Russia, and now Kiev. Whoever was at the first one decided where to go next. Not very complicated. I think the only person who has been to all of them is Brian Bainbridge. As our number increased over the years (more spaceniks), OSONOS's did likewise. I am opening a little space in Camden Maine this September, and I know that other folks are doing, or have done, the same thing. So it seems that the World OSONOS has transformed into the OSONOS's of the World. More Space(s)! Or something. One thing for sure -- they are always fun and very rich no matter who is hosting or where all that takes place. Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website www.ho-image.com OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archivesVisit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: angry feedback Hi all I am a newbie at all this and have never been to an OSONOS let alone a WOSONOS... So please could I have some data (from someone) in order that I might consider the implications of this email. 1) How many WOSONOS's have there been (14, I assume, but is this correct)? 2) Where have they occurred? 3) Who decides where the next WOSONOS will be? 4) And on what basis? 5) What makes an OSONOS a WOSONOS? Many thanks! Jon Harvey Oxford UK Original Message: ----------------- From: Yana Demenko [email protected] Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:54:13 +0300 To: [email protected] Subject: angry feedback Dear OS Community, WOSonOS hosting team have got a very interesting feedback from Tree Fitzpatrick. I'm not going to comment it but I feel responsibility to share this mail with all of you. Whatever happens is the only thing that could have ... Best regards, Yana Demenko [e-mail] [email protected] [post] p.o.box 4B, Kyiv-1, 01001, Ukraine [web] www.demenko.info [skype] yana_demenko Begin forwarded message: > > From: Tree Fitzpatrick [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:21 AM > To: GURT Resource Centre for NGO Development > Subject: Re: Invitation to 15th Worldwide Open Space on Open Space > > > > I have absolutely no interest in attending the OSonOS in Kiev this > year. I am writing to tell you why I am not interested. And I am > writing to complain that you have sent me this invitation. Where > did you get my email? You did not have my permission to use it. > > I was disappointed that people at OSonOS in Moscow hijacked this > important international gathering of OS practitioners from around > the world and insisted on taking the event to Kiev this year. The > OSonOS gathering belongs to practitioners around the world and it > has norms and traditions that you folks refused to honor when you > decided to 'steal' the event to Kiev this year. A key tradition of > OSonOS International has been to move around the world. > > I understand that one of your organizers was very aggressive in > Moscow, insisting on forcing OSonOS to Kiev. This makes me angry > and under no circumstances would I attend an event that was > demanded like this: I feel like coming would be tantamount to > giving in to a child after he had a tantrum. You folks in Kiev > were free to steal the event. . . but you could never win my > support of it. > > And, parenthetically, as it happens, Raffi did something similar at > Halifax OSonOS in 2005. The group was leaning towards having > OSonOS 2006 in Scotland and Raffi stood up and said "I don't care > what you people want, there is going to be an international OSonOS > in Moscow this year" and the Halifax group gave in to Raffi. I > mention this because now I am wondering if the Slavic world is > littered with bullies who think that imposing their will on people > is good collaboration? > > I also wonder if whoever that guy was, it was someone from Kiev who > was in Moscow at last year's conference, really gives a shit about > the rest of the world of OS practitioners. I wonder if this guy > realizes that senior OS practitioners all over the world have heard > about this behavior. > > I venture to guess that you are going to have a very low turnout at > this event. I suspect lots of people feel the way I do, that the > conference was birthed in an atmosphere of coersion, which is NOT > open space at all, is it? > > Please don't send me any more emails. I have reported you to my > email provider as spam. > > > -- > Love rays, > Tree Fitzpatrick > > http://thecultureoflove.blogspot.com/ > > . . . the great and incalculable grace of love, which says, with > Augustine, "I want you to be," without being able to give any > particular reason for such supreme and unsurpassable affirmation. > -- Hannah Arendt > > 1335 Montecito Ave Apt. 35 > Mountain View, California 94043 > (650) 967-9260 * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft(r) Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
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