Yes. All of life is open space. The four principles and the one law simple are its quite simple acknowledgement for those who would like to embrace life as open space. It is to liberate. Not to imprison (function of dogma). At least that has been my experience and my whole being has been vibrating in resonance with the understanding. For me, Self-Liberation is my Asperation and Responsibility to be life-long practiced and to share with those whoever come. OST helps that sharing. I would wish whatever come out of the "RE: Open Space 2.0 - Beyond the Dogma" expedition expand CONSTANT NOW for all. Who knows? One day we might reach an open space community of true liberation. Yet further practice until it starts to emerge is what's desired, I think. Wish the Best to All :-) spark
_____ From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:40 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Open Space 2.0 - Beyond the Dogma Christine wrote: "Beyond the "meeting" the principles of Open Space guide our life and work. I find that those who engage in Open Space appreciate the principles as much as they do the process." Which might suggest, Christine, that all of life is open space. :-) Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen Open Space Training <http://www.openspaceworld.com/> www.openspaceworld.com Open Space Institute <http://www.openspaceworld.org/> www.openspaceworld.org Personal website <http://www.ho-image.com/> www.ho-image.com OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: <http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html> www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Christine Whitney Sanchez Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:59 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Open Space 2.0 - Beyond the Dogma Beyond the "meeting" the principles of Open Space guide our life and work. I find that those who engage in Open Space appreciate the principles as much as they do the process. Christine Christine Whitney Sanchez CWS - Collaborative Wisdom & Strategy 2717 E. Mountain Sky Avenue Phoenix, AZ 85048-8990 480.759.0262 <http://www.christinewhitneysanchez.com/> www.christinewhitneysanchez.com Please consider the environment before you print this email _____ From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:09 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Open Space 2.0 - Beyond the Dogma Omitting mention of the 4 Principles certainly can be done, but I am not sure that would change things in any substantial way. The reason being that the Principles are descriptive as opposed to prescriptive. In short, they will happen anyway, mentioned or not. However, one might reasonably ask - why state the obvious? My reason has always been that keeping the principles in mind seems to ease the way in Open Space. Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen Open Space Training <http://www.openspaceworld.com/> www.openspaceworld.com Open Space Institute <http://www.openspaceworld.org/> www.openspaceworld.org Personal website <http://www.ho-image.com/> www.ho-image.com OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: <http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html> www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Jack Martin Leith Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 8:16 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Open Space 2.0 - Beyond the Dogma Hiya Tree. Thanks for your thoughts on my <Open Space 2.0 - Beyond the Dogma> post. Has OS become arthritic? And are certain Open Space practitioners becoming dogmatic? Here in the UK the answer is "yes". I've been to two gatherings of OS practitioners, both held in London (I was the co-creator of the first one) and anyone wandering in from the street would probably have thought they were witnessing a meeting of a religious group or a cult. At the second of these gatherings, structured along "Open Space on Open Space" lines, Paul Levy led a session that challenged the four principles of Open Space, and was shot down in flames by a number of people. And a year ago he advertised, on this very email list, a workshop with a similar theme to the one he and I are running in Brighton next week, and received from a prominent OS practitioner what ca bes be described as hate mail. Thanks for your invitation to share more of my thoughts. You can find plenty of them here www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=191 and here www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=192, along with some thoughts expressed by people beyond this list. The purpose of the 14 May workshop is to discover what other people think. My aim (I can't speak for Paul) is not for 'better' space at meetings, but for a process which is most likely to deliver the desired results. Which results? Those that will generate as much value as possible for as many parts of the stakeholder system as possible. I don't see myself as a process facilitator, but rather as a results facilitator. As in midwifery, a healthy mother and baby are the first priority. The process has to serve the results. My personal preference is for natural methods, but I keep forceps in my back pocket and a scalpel in a glass box, for emergency use only. If you'd like to take part in the discussion through Skype, the user name is <rationalmadness> and the timing is 1400 to 1600 British Summer Time, which is one hour ahead of GMT. Best wishes, Jack Jack Martin Leith Bristol, United Kingdom Mobile: 07831 840541 (+44 7831 840541) Skype: jackmartinleith Facebook: www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=725422325 Facebook group on Open Space Technology: www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7189220743 LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/jackmartinleith email: j...@jackmartinleith.com www.jackmartinleith.com 2008/5/4 Tree Fitzpatrick <therese.fitzpatr...@gmail.com>: On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Jack Martin Leith <j...@jackmartinleith.com> wrote: Hiya Harrison. Happy that you're not offended by our undertaking! Maybe it's different on your side of the pond, but Paul and I have both, separately, noticed the worrying extent to which OS certainly has become a dogma over here, sometimes along with the words "Harrison Owen" says. (I must put my hand up to having done that many times.) We both feel that OS has become somewhat arthritic, and overdue for a rethink. Open Space Technology is what it is. Right? How can it become arthritic? I am challenged by your suggestion but I hope you don't perceive that I am challenging you. I am genuinely puzzled. I would welcome more of you thoughts, perhaps some examples of how OS is changing? How can OS 'become' anything? It is what it is. I am wondering if, when you suggest that it is due for a 'rethink', perhaps you are seeing something else, or striving to see something else. Perhaps you have a (inchoate?) yearning for, please forgive me, 'better' space at meetings. I don't have Harrison's depth of experience opening sepace, but I wholeheartedly agree with what he says about 'second generation open space'. When in doubt, open more space and if opening more space brings me to a place of doing nothing, well, for me, then I know I'm doing it right. What you say is perfectly true, and I agree wholeheartedly ... although I'm personaly keen on conversation that precipitates action ... but all too often it's very different on the ground. Big thanks for your support and encouragement. We'll keep you posted. Steve the Doc has already signed up for the Skype option. Very best, Jack Jack Martin Leith Bristol, United Kingdom Mobile: 07831 840541 (+44 7831 840541) Skype: jackmartinleith Facebook: www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=725422325 Facebook group on Open Space Technology: www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7189220743 LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/jackmartinleith email: j...@jackmartinleith.com www.jackmartinleith.com <http://www.jackmartinleith.com/> 2008/4/30 Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net>: Sounds like a marvelous under taking, but I am not sure about all this "Dogma" business. Dogma in my lexicon is a whole bunch of stuff that you have to do/believe. My experience with OST is that it is all about thinking of one more thing NOT to do - or believe. The end of the line, or indeed the next iteration, would involve doing nothing at all, and where "belief" translated into pure experience. You were just "there" in that present moment being fully what you (we) already were - full, conscious, passionate, responsible human beings. My experience with most of the 2nd Generation Open Spaces is that they seem to involve more and different doing and believing. To my eyes this seems to be going in the wrong direction. But what do I know? Have fun!! 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