I'm not sure I see OST process of combining sessions as a consensus process, unless you mean the consensus of the two (or more) session conveners. The rest of the group doesn't get a say because they're not the ones convening those sessions. No one except the conveners actually knows what the conveners are trying to do with a particular session, you know? Why should they get a say?
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Neils Christiansen <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi All, > > It seems to me the clustering of cards Harrison refers to was done by the > "ICA style" facilitator. If that is so, the process was not ICA's > Participation Technology. In the ICA process, the participants do the > clustering: 1) A participant suggests a possible pairing or the addition of > a card to an existing cluster and states the relationship between the cards > that underlies his or her suggestion. 2) Any other participant may indicate > that the suggested pairing or addition to an existing cluster does not work > for them, in which case the suggestion is dropped. 3) If the suggestion > makes sense to the other participants, that is, there are no objections, > then and only then does the facilitator move the cards into a pair or add to > an existing cluster. As the clustering progresses and the group's sense of > the underlying structure firms up, participants often modify the clusters; > it is the group sense of relationships that counts. > > I have seen times where the facilitator "suggests" a pairing or addition > when the relationship seems obvious (exact duplicate cards are an example). > However, if the facilitator uses his or her sense of which cards go > together, it is not the ICA process precisely because it is not > participatory, but hierarchal. > > An OS "marketplace" follows exactly the same principles. However, in place > of a facilitator standing in front of a group of seated participants and > following their directions about clustering (perhaps with clarifying > questions), the OS participants carry out the process on their feet by > choosing "cards" they wish to pursue including the possibility of combining > "cards" into clusters of people with similar interests. > > The clustering process in both cases arrives at a consensus. I found both > Bui's and Harrison's descriptions of consensus very helpful. Bui's quoted > definition is an attempt to describe, in detail, the conditions that foster > consensus. It is the sort of description a novice "facilitator of consensus" > might study at length while pondering about how to foster those conditions > in practice. Harrison's description forgoes all that detail in favour of an > intuitive sense of "what seems right". It is the statement of a seasoned > practitioner. However, I suspect behind Harrison's sense of what seems right > lies a strong belief in the value of trust, respect, etc. If it were not so, > the OS he "discovered" might have looked more like an operation manual for > Dackow rather than the participatory process that has inspired so many. > > Neils Christiansen > > Harrison Owen wrote: > >> >> Shikha – You are not very far from that old question of "Optimal Group >> Size." Some said six. Some say 12. . . My own experience is that the optimal >> size is whatever works, and that depends… I have seen groups of 3 that were >> a disaster and groups of 70 that were marvels of inclusion and >> communication. My conclusion: Only the people can tell, and figuring groups >> size is one more thing I don't have to do. I guess I would put "clustering >> cards" under the same heading. I know the people who do what I think is >> called Participatory Technology, developed by ICA – do that, but every time >> I found myself in one of their gatherings it seemed to me that it all took >> much too long and never came out "right" anyhow, for the simple reason that >> only the people knew the issues well enough to know what went with which. >> >> Harrison >> >> Harrison Owen >> >> 189 Beaucaire Ave >> >> Camden, ME 04843 >> >> 207-763-3261 (Summer) >> >> 301-365-2093 (Winter) >> >> Website www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com> >> >> Personal Website www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com> >> >> OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of >> *Shikha Shrestha >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:34 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: How many break-out spaces >> >> Hi, >> >> I feel that it is hard for us to determine the number of participants, as >> the people themselves choose the group they want to join in. The number of >> groups that we can manage at one time slot depends on our venue, how much >> groups that can be managed. We do not need very formal space but just a >> space for people to talk and share. In most cases, having at least table or >> flipchart is helpful to write their notes and that is visible to all in the >> group. It is not mandatory though! >> >> In the number of people in each group, I also agree that 5-6 people per >> group is the best but as facilitator we cannot determine the number so i >> suggest you not be worried and let the session be chaotic so that people >> feel the warmth of informality and do feel comfortable in sharing. >> >> In some cases, if there are too many cards than we can handle but I tried >> using the method of clustering the uniform cards together. But, we should be >> very much careful in not clustering the cards that are not similar or carry >> different meaning. It is only the last thing that can be done. >> >> Hope it helps, >> >> Shikha >> >> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:48 AM, ashley cooper < >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Thanks Doc and Harrison. >> >> So all we have to do is remember to KISS every experience we have. I love >> it! >> >> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Harrison Owen <[email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Spaces – my rule of thumb is 5 (SPACES) per 100 people. Same ratio for >> computers. KISS. Keep it simple S… Something I can remember and it always >> seems to work. >> >> ho >> >> Harrison Owen >> >> 189 Beaucaire Ave >> >> Camden, ME 04843 >> >> 207-763-3261 (Summer) >> >> 301-365-2093 (Winter) >> >> Website www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com> >> >> Personal Website www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com> >> >> OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* OSLIST [mailto:[email protected] <mailto: >> [email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Tenneson Woolf >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:49 AM >> >> >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto: >> [email protected]> >> >> *Subject:* Re: How many break-out spaces >> >> Hey Ashley, >> >> My experience is one for every 5-6 people. If the group is small, 12ish, I >> have a few more. If the group is large, for me 120ish, I have a few less. >> And, I just invite people to create another space if we run out. I'm always >> happy to observe that when topics are called from that place of passion and >> responsibility, walls in breakout rooms become less important. Corners of >> rooms work fine. >> >> I wonder what you've learned, the Ashley formula? >> >> Hugs. >> >> /Tenneson Woolf/ >> >> Lindon, Utah USA >> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> skype: tenneson_woolf >> >> 801 785 2276 >> >> 801 376 2213 Cell >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* OSLIST [mailto:[email protected] <mailto: >> [email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *ashley cooper >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:53 AM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto: >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* How many break-out spaces >> >> Hello, >> >> I still haven't mastered the ease of searching our archives... so please >> forgive my repetition. >> >> Do you use a 'formula' for estimating out how many break-out areas based >> on the number of participants? >> >> Thanks, >> Ashley >> >> * * ========================================================== >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your >> options, view the archives of [email protected] <mailto: >> [email protected]>: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about >> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >> >> * * ========================================================== >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your >> options, view the archives of [email protected] <mailto: >> [email protected]>: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about >> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist* * >> ========================================================== >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your >> options, view the archives of [email protected] <mailto: >> [email protected]>: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about >> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >> >> * * ========================================================== >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your >> options, view the archives of [email protected] <mailto: >> [email protected]>: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about >> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >> >> * * ========================================================== >> [email protected] ------------------------------ To >> subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >> [email protected]: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about >> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 3371 (20080820) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> * * ========================================================== >> [email protected] ------------------------------ To >> subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >> [email protected]: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about >> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >> > > > * > * > ========================================================== > [email protected] > ------------------------------ > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > view the archives of [email protected]: > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: > http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
