I'm not sure I see OST process of combining sessions as a consensus
process, unless you mean the consensus of the two (or more) session
conveners. The rest of the group doesn't get a say because they're
not the ones convening those sessions. No one except the conveners
actually knows what the conveners are trying to do with a particular
session, you know? Why should they get a say?
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Neils Christiansen
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi All,
It seems to me the clustering of cards Harrison refers to was done
by the "ICA style" facilitator. If that is so, the process was not
ICA's Participation Technology. In the ICA process, the
participants do the clustering: 1) A participant suggests a
possible pairing or the addition of a card to an existing cluster
and states the relationship between the cards that underlies his
or her suggestion. 2) Any other participant may indicate that the
suggested pairing or addition to an existing cluster does not work
for them, in which case the suggestion is dropped. 3) If the
suggestion makes sense to the other participants, that is, there
are no objections, then and only then does the facilitator move
the cards into a pair or add to an existing cluster. As the
clustering progresses and the group's sense of the underlying
structure firms up, participants often modify the clusters; it is
the group sense of relationships that counts.
I have seen times where the facilitator "suggests" a pairing or
addition when the relationship seems obvious (exact duplicate
cards are an example). However, if the facilitator uses his or her
sense of which cards go together, it is not the ICA process
precisely because it is not participatory, but hierarchal.
An OS "marketplace" follows exactly the same principles. However,
in place of a facilitator standing in front of a group of seated
participants and following their directions about clustering
(perhaps with clarifying questions), the OS participants carry out
the process on their feet by choosing "cards" they wish to pursue
including the possibility of combining "cards" into clusters of
people with similar interests.
The clustering process in both cases arrives at a consensus. I
found both Bui's and Harrison's descriptions of consensus very
helpful. Bui's quoted definition is an attempt to describe, in
detail, the conditions that foster consensus. It is the sort of
description a novice "facilitator of consensus" might study at
length while pondering about how to foster those conditions in
practice. Harrison's description forgoes all that detail in favour
of an intuitive sense of "what seems right". It is the statement
of a seasoned practitioner. However, I suspect behind Harrison's
sense of what seems right lies a strong belief in the value of
trust, respect, etc. If it were not so, the OS he "discovered"
might have looked more like an operation manual for Dackow rather
than the participatory process that has inspired so many.
Neils Christiansen
Harrison Owen wrote:
Shikha – You are not very far from that old question of
"Optimal Group Size." Some said six. Some say 12. . . My own
experience is that the optimal size is whatever works, and
that depends… I have seen groups of 3 that were a disaster and
groups of 70 that were marvels of inclusion and communication.
My conclusion: Only the people can tell, and figuring groups
size is one more thing I don't have to do. I guess I would put
"clustering cards" under the same heading. I know the people
who do what I think is called Participatory Technology,
developed by ICA – do that, but every time I found myself in
one of their gatherings it seemed to me that it all took much
too long and never came out "right" anyhow, for the simple
reason that only the people knew the issues well enough to
know what went with which.
Harrison
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*From:* OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Shikha
Shrestha
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:34 PM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: How many break-out spaces
Hi,
I feel that it is hard for us to determine the number of
participants, as the people themselves choose the group they
want to join in. The number of groups that we can manage at
one time slot depends on our venue, how much groups that can
be managed. We do not need very formal space but just a space
for people to talk and share. In most cases, having at least
table or flipchart is helpful to write their notes and that is
visible to all in the group. It is not mandatory though!
In the number of people in each group, I also agree that 5-6
people per group is the best but as facilitator we cannot
determine the number so i suggest you not be worried and let
the session be chaotic so that people feel the warmth of
informality and do feel comfortable in sharing.
In some cases, if there are too many cards than we can handle
but I tried using the method of clustering the uniform cards
together. But, we should be very much careful in not
clustering the cards that are not similar or carry different
meaning. It is only the last thing that can be done.
Hope it helps,
Shikha
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:48 AM, ashley cooper
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
Thanks Doc and Harrison.
So all we have to do is remember to KISS every experience we
have. I love it!
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Harrison Owen
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
Spaces – my rule of thumb is 5 (SPACES) per 100 people. Same
ratio for computers. KISS. Keep it simple S… Something I can
remember and it always seems to work.
ho
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*Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:49 AM
*To:* [email protected]
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Hey Ashley,
My experience is one for every 5-6 people. If the group is
small, 12ish, I have a few more. If the group is large, for me
120ish, I have a few less. And, I just invite people to create
another space if we run out. I'm always happy to observe that
when topics are called from that place of passion and
responsibility, walls in breakout rooms become less important.
Corners of rooms work fine.
I wonder what you've learned, the Ashley formula?
Hugs.
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Hello,
I still haven't mastered the ease of searching our archives...
so please forgive my repetition.
Do you use a 'formula' for estimating out how many break-out
areas based on the number of participants?
Thanks,
Ashley
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