Harold
In response to your email I find myself thinking how different would
our interactions be if we really knew and felt the size of the virtual
room we were speaking to. Those who are silent would be so much more
present in their silence. We would see people using their two feet as
they left.. (i left and came back by the way! Did you notice the
strength of my emotional response? ) And we would feel the excitement
in the space between us as things shifted. Politeness would not be
something we remember or forget but a diffferent kind of edge we have
to cross because the whole group would be holding that dynamic and
differentiation in an aware way... Perhaps.
At the moment I have to work hard to remember and imagine all who are
really here.
When will computers include the felt sense of our interactions and
when will we grow awareness of those missing signals online?
Somewhere we can't imagine it yet but until we develop this capacity
online communication is going to be incomplete and missing Spirit.
Here's to imagining and remembering what might be .. Being said in the
silence!
An invitation to speak up perhaps.. I don't know
This is the only way I can find into this conversation!
Phelim
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 22, 2009, at 12:31 AM, Harold Shinsato <[email protected]>
wrote:
Tree,
Thanks for your courage, posting into a circle that from where I sit
doesn't look like it is welcoming your input. I salute you. I'm
intrigued with your mentioning the work of Humberto Maturana, and
would enjoy hearing more (email me privately if you think it won't
be of interest to the rest of us).
A couple points - I don't think Michael can be faulted for wanting
to maintain leadership and management of openspaceworld.org when it
seems to be doing rather well (#1 ranking), and especially if the
community is supporting him. The vote is in, as far as I can tell,
for the status quo.
In terms of suppression, I'm not sure I'm hearing that - at least
not explicitly. It might (or might not) be implicit. But what I am
hearing, and I support, is a request to keep some civility and
decorum. Being polite isn't as fashionable as it used to be, but
good manners give a decided advantage in getting a point through
most of the time because it reduces the urge to kill the messenger
rather than face the unwanted communication. When a message is going
to be hard to hear, it takes away a lot of the sting if we use "I"
statements. This employs advances in psychological awareness about
communication. When we do that, we are explicit about offering a
reading from "what it looks like from here", rather than an attempt
to state (or define) what's objectively real. Not that that's wrong.
A spade is, yes, a spade. But if I see a spade, and you see a heart
- maybe it's good to compare notes in more detail about my "spade"
and your "heart" before we start fighting about the objective reality.
A bunch of fallible brains giving differing and even contradictory
reports might feel irritating, but probably not threatening. When we
advance into the realm of "objective reality" too quickly, it's
going to feel like a trespass. It will feel like I'm wrong, you're
right. Maybe that conflict needs to happen - but only after we all
get a chance to see and integrate what all these amazing brains and
psyche's around us are seeing/feeling/thinking/observing.
I really am in support of what I see Kaliya trying to do in moving
towards a community managed site, and I'm supporting her with my
time and input. But I don't much care for shouting with all caps,
calling people dictators, and saying someone's life work is lame.
Just my personal bias, I'm not saying it's wrong to do so. In fact,
I just told my manager a little while ago that she should tell me if
something I'm doing sucks. But we've established some trust. In a
huge forum like this one - how much do we really even know each
other (all 600+ of us)? How much do we even know how far these one's
and zero's are ringing out there to be construed - or misconstrued.
Anyway, that's just how it looks from where I'm sitting.
Harold
Tree Fitzpatrick wrote:
Michael, are you willing to relinquish your ownerhsip of openspaceworld.org
? I think that would be best for the worldwide OS community. A
subdomain of your personal website is not, in my opinion, open.
Thanks, Kaliya, for asking others to voice their possibly negative
experiences with Michael Herman. For myself, I am feeling
resentful of the suppression taking place in this discussion. I
resent suggestions to use non-violent communication when it is
used, as it seems to be here, to inhibit expression.
Is anyone on this list familiar with the work of Humberto
Maturana? He posits that much of what is 'wrong' with human
culture is we suppress what 'is' and pressure others to only
disclose what fits the existing paradigms. As long as folks post
lovey-dovey calls for only 'positive' expression, negativity is not
allowed into the light. There is no sunlight without shadow and,
still speaking only for myself, it takes a lot of love -- in this
instance my love for the practice of OS -- to speak my truth, even
when it is negative.
I read a lot of invitation in this list for OS but only 'openness'
for the positive.
I believe there is a shadow element here that some are pressuring
the rest of us to suppress. We can go on suppressing. Yes indeed we
can. In OS, where I live, it is often very loving, positive,
affirmative, appreciative and nonviolent to voice what I see in the
dark.
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