Thank you for the update. Clearly the 99% need a strategy to deal with The divide and rule tactics.
juan t. Lopez On Sep 29, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Brett Barndt <barndtbr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sandy > > Thank you for posting this. As it happens, a former colleague of mine > is working with these people I learned last night. There is informal > coalition forming and teams such as security, communications, safety, > trainings, etc. Evidently, the District Council of residents are > supportive of the peaceful assemblers and they are addressing concerns > of late night noise. There is a lot of opportunity for learning and > skill building and collaboration. They are creating teams now as > happened in Tahrir. Younger policeman evidently know this > demonstration is about protecting their pensions and this is a message > that frequents the crowd. I can try to make connections for anyone > interested. So far the "leaderless" aspect is being used against by > the Mainstream Media to avoid coverage and taking seriously. NPR news > director even said "no one prominent", but they have to because > Congress people can make trouble for Corporation for Public > Broadcasting in our weak democracy that doesn't protect us from that! > They've done it for their Donors continuously since 1980! > > I agree with the observation about responsiveness to police orders. It > was explained to me last night at a meeting by an experienced NYC > activist that this is the way people get rapidly arrested. Thjs was a > hot topic with my colleague who mutually agreed of the need for > training and skill building. > > The young people also need to learn about the divide-and-rule tactics > that will be used clandestinely against them. The banks downtown being > targeted by "occupiers" are well documented as using these techniques > in foreign countries and even here to maintain the value of their > "investments" in cheap land, agriculture, "labor" etc. There is plenty > of documentation of "operatives" working for them throughout many > institutions here and abroad. There is some great symbolism about > proximity to some of these "august" institutions that means a great > deal to me since I worked on Wall Street and the City of London and so > know their real well-hidden stories! > > For example, my colleague noticed clearly schizophrenic people there > for the first time. As we know from history, people with these kinds > of illnesses are targets for agents provocateurs. I hope that doesn't > come as a shock to members of this list. There is an opportunity for > training on how to recognize these traps that will no doubt be set and > how to avoid them and even turn them to the peaceful assemblers' > advantage. There should be alternatives from the peaceful assemblers > that can overcome these tactics and expose them for what they are so > they can no longer plague citizens as they have now for how long? As > Michael Moore observed on DN! yesterday, if policemen in white shirts > i.e. supervisors, are pepper spraying, the orders are coming from > somewhere. And, prosecutions to out those tactics on the public record > are clearly not happening unless we make them happen. > > These tactics are traced throughout history as key turning points > toward violence which is what the suppressors must carefully work > toward if they expect to hold their power as they have in the past > all over the world. Wide ranging awareness of them with alternative > practices can nullify them once and for all which would be great! Many > of us are beginning to recognize how it works from the pepper spraying > video which caught a supervisor in the act. He is evidently also > implicated for other similar acts to incite crowds at political > conventions. These practices need outing with widespread awareness > making more and more wise to them. > > I can try to make my colleague aware of NCDD and other processes and > make this connection for anyone interested. He has been at the center > of it from the beginning and is a longtime downtown resident. It > sounds like there may be an opportunity. It is a very exciting time. > > Best regards, B > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Sandy Heierbacher <sa...@thataway.org> wrote: >> Hi, Open Space and Art of Hosting friends! >> >> I wanted to send a quick message out to both the OSlist and the AoH list to >> see if any process experts in these communities are working with the Occupy >> Wall Street folks who are doing direct action in NYC right now. >> >> We had a thread on the NCDD Discussion list yesterday (I'm the director of >> the National Coalition for Dialogue & Deliberation, if you've not heard of >> NCDD) about the timely opportunity to provide real assistance and advice >> with process to these activists. Additional occupations (as they're being >> called) are being planned for DC, Boston, and other locations I believe -- >> and I wanted to check in with the Open Space and AoH communities to see if >> process folks were already involved (if so, let's talk about how NCDD >> members might be able to help you out, and stay informed about what you're >> doing). >> >> The Occupy Wall Street folks are an intentionally leader-less, >> self-organized group. Open Space and Art of Hosting-style processes seem >> like the best fit for helping them stay that way, continue to give all >> protestors a voice and to move more quickly to jointly-identified outcomes. >> >> For those of you who may not be too familiar with what's going on in NYC >> right now, here's an interesting part of the listserv thread I mentioned >> (this segment is written by Tom Atlee): >> >> NCDDers in NYC might find the occupier community (they call themselves >> "Occupy Wall Street") a challenging, exciting context to work in. Process >> is being evolved on the spot. The occupiers were using a traditional >> consensus process, but the police forbade microphones. So they developed a >> fascinating "human microphone" system where the speaker says a few words and >> the crowd repeats what was said (which allows those in the back to hear). >> (You can watch all this on streaming videos!) But that increases the >> already extensive time needed for consensus (checking for concerns, etc.), >> so the police have started issuing demands that must be met within 5-15 >> minutes, which the crowd can't respond to fast enough without formal >> leaders, which they don't want. The evolutionary pressures to develop new >> forms are intense. What comes out of that could be very good, very bad, or >> something else... >> >> If an NCDDer joined them and created a self-organized "Talk to the Others" >> working group, something might happen along the lines you're thinking, >> Stephanie. But there's no one in charge to talk to about getting other >> protesters to join in Activity X. It is a self-organized system, for better >> and/or worse. >> >> If you/we want to do something more planned, best to start now planning for >> the parallel occupation of Washington DC by hundreds/thousands of >> progressive protesters that is about to hit the city on Oct 6 >> http://october2011.org. >> >> For info on Occupy Wall Street, here's some fascinating links: >> http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/7468-occupy-wall-street-take-the-bull-by-the-horns >> http://www.readersupportednews.org/off-site-opinion-section/64-64/7564-the-whole-world-is-watching-nonviolence-at-liberty-plaza >> http://www.truth-out.org/occupywallstreet-more-hashtag-its-revolution-formation/1316784846 >> http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/chris-hedges-occupy-wall-street-is-where-the-hope-of-america-lies/ >> http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/09/20/police-occupy-wall-street-9-20-2011/ >> http://thiscantbehappening.net/node/785 >> >> Best, >> Sandy >> >> Sandy Heierbacher >> Director, National Coalition for Dialogue & Deliberation (NCDD) >> email: sa...@thataway.org (switching to sa...@ncdd.org) >> website: www.ncdd.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > > > > -- > Seek first to understand, then be understood. 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