Annika, you have enriched our shared learning on this topic, so I am glad that 
you felt inspired to share your thoughts and experiences.
Here is my question for others who have had the experience - my own has been 
with deaf and differently-hearing people *who all speak the same regional 
language* including their sign language.

Let us say that this is a gathering of differently-hearing people from several 
different countries.
I learned American Sign Language just a bit, many years ago. And when I did, I 
learned there are country and regional differences, even accents, if you will.

Are those differences enough to bring forth any communication needs *amongst* 
the differently-hearing people coming from different countries for a dialogue 
event?

I was humbled by the help and feedback I received when doing Open Space with a 
mixed-group of individuals - some use voice because they learned that way, some 
do not, some do not use sound… I have observed that sometimes it is 
generational - how in your own country it was thought (when you were young) you 
should be taught, as a deaf or differently hearing person.  

I am just being curious. Lee and Phelim and company I know that you yourselves 
have had some incredible experiences and learning with mixed-abilities groups.
Thank you everyone for sharing in this rich learning about such a rich and 
inclusive topic,

Lisa

 


On Sep 25, 2013, at 8:43 AM, "Annika von Walter" <[email protected]> 
wrote:

> Hello all together,
>  
> I am rather new on this list, reading it for quite a while with great 
> interest and learning a lot, but not having written anything yet. Let's 
> change!
>  
> I facilitated only a few OSTs until now, but I worked with deaf children for 
> quite a while before and I am in good contact with deaf adults. So actually I 
> never combined both, OST and working with deaf. Nevertheless, there are 
> several thoughts on my mind.
>  
> As Lee suggested, it will be a meeting with participants using sign language 
> as their mother 'tongue'. I suppose, that walking the circle could be 
> complicated: The interpreters will hear you and they can translate, but you 
> would always cross the eye contact between interpreters and participants. So 
> Diane's idea sounds very good: walk the circle once while making a litte 
> break and inviting to get in touch with each other.
>  
> Usually deaf people who are used to sign language - different to those, who 
> got deafened rather late in life - prefer sign language to a written text on 
> a sceen. Sign language is just as fast and just as complex as spoken language 
> (at least German Sign language is, maybe ask the interpreters for this 
> topic!). Therefor I suppose, that it will be not necessary to reduce your 
> opening or to use a screen and written English. Writing and reading is hard 
> to learn if you don't hear, as it is connected with the spoken language - 
> surely a foreign language with not only different words, but also a different 
> grammar and structure. So relying on sign language surly is the best choice.
>  
> Writing down the topics one after the other and announcing them afterwards is 
> surely a good idea! In this period the interpreters will have to translate 
> the other way, from BSL to English.
>  
> If there are only participants knowing sign language, you won't need 
> interpreters in the meetings. Maybe the documentation might be a challenge, 
> as writing is not that common to some deaf people and as writing and 
> communicating with signs at the same time won't work. Just ask the community 
> in the preparing meeting, if they need help and if they have any ideas. Maybe 
> it is worth thinking about a video documentation using signs as well? Anyhow: 
> I suppose there is a deaf community that can answer all the questions and 
> that will have the best ideas - don't hesitate to ask!
>  
> I am really curious how you get on - please share!! And good luck!
>  
> Greetings from Berlin
>  
> Annika von Walter
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> [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von chris grady
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. September 2013 13:58
> An: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> Betreff: Re: [OSList] OS with Sign Language as a first language
>  
> This is inspiring. Thank you
> Chris
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> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Lee Simpson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Diane,
>  
> Thank you for sharing your experience. That is really great to read about, 
> very useful and very encouraging.
>  
> lee
>  
> On 23 Sep 2013, at 16:01, Diane Gibeault <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Lee,
>  
> I facilitated an Open Space meeting for deafened people, people who once 
> heard and spoke but have now lost their hearing completely or in good part 
> and have not necessarily learned sign language or lip reading. The invitation 
> from a volunteer organization went to the community at large.
>  
> Over twenty people met for half a day. The theme was focussed on service and 
> access needs of deafened people. Communication was assisted by interpreters, 
> sound enhancing ear plugs and simultaneous captioning services enabling 
> participants to read spoken words on a large screen.
>  
> We were able to preserve the formation of the full circle of chairs by having 
> some of the hearing participants (partner accompanying a deafened 
> participant, sponsor of the organization, sign language interpreter and 
> facilitator) sit at one end of the circle, their backs to the screen which 
> other participants needed to see.
>  
> As the facilitator I could not walk in the circle while speaking because it 
> would have interfered with the view of the screen but I did walk around the 
> circle once without speaking. I had told the group I would do so and that at 
> the same time, they were invited to let their eyes go around the circle, 
> acknowledging the richness of the people present. I made eye contact with 
> everyone, we all smiled and nodded to welcome each other and they did the 
> same with other participants. The circle was bound.
>  
> Harisson Owen’s “less is more” never was so true. To explain the process, I 
> had to speak slowly, using few words, choosing key important ones so that the 
> captioning note takers and interpreters would represent the ideas as clearly 
> and as completely as possible. Otherwise, they will cut on what was said or 
> put it in words that may not reflect as well what you wanted to say. Beth 
> Martin a OS trainee who assisted in the Open Space was asked by the sponsor 
> to take the role of reading the screen and signalling to me when I had to 
> slow down. If a message had been really distorted, she would have caught it 
> and let me know.
>  
> Participants wrote their topics and only when all had finished did they take 
> turns to announce them from their seat. This way, everyone could look at the 
> screen or interpreter. Otherwise, they would have missed the topic 
> announcements because they would be looking at their sheet while writing 
> their own topic. Participants with topics then picked up a Post-it with time 
> and place and put up their topics on the wall. After this first round, some 
> came up with more ideas for topics and we proceeded in the same way again.
>  
> Once all the topics were on the wall, further instructions were given and off 
> they went to sign up. If they needed to negotiate combinations or time 
> changes, they could communicate with each other by writing on the paper pad 
> they were given or calling upon an interpreter. Each meeting site had a large 
> screen computer and a note taker and participants sat around to read on the 
> screen what was being said. Interpreters went where they were needed. There 
> was a talking piece at every meeting site to help see who was speaking. A 
> real break was scheduled between the two discussion rounds to give everyone a 
> rest from reading.
>  
> Discussion reports were completed after the event, given it was only a half 
> day meeting. For reporting to the entire group at the end of the event, two 
> flip charts were placed near the circle in the plenary room and initiators 
> had been invited to write two or three lines that captured the key idea or 
> action coming out of their discussion. This encouraged them to organize their 
> thoughts and it condensed the reporting period. Initiators read their two 
> line reports that were captured by the interpreters and the larger screen. 
> Participants exchanged comments, reactions and more stories.
>  
> For the closing, the talking piece worked like it always does and words came 
> from the heart to bring meaningful closure to this event.
>  
> They were energised by this kind of exchange that brought them out of their 
> isolation
> They would have wanted to keep on. They talked about having another meeting. 
> This kind of experience was a first of its kind for these participants and 
> for this community of people with hearing challenges.
>  
> The speed at which  participants took charge of the process, the level of 
> participation, the energy and the enthusiasm about the results and about this 
> way of meeting were the same as for all the other open space groups I have 
> facilitated. Open Space does work with any group as long as there is passion 
> for the reason that brings people together.
>  
> Enjoy,
>  
> Diane
>  
> From: Lee Simpson <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected] 
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:32:35 AM
> Subject: [OSList] OS with Sign Language as a first language
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We are planning an OS with BSL (British Sign Language) as a first language. 
> Anybody done something like this and have any tips about things like sight 
> lines during opening, announcing of sessions and closing circle?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Lee
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