Hey Daniel, >> ... control of one's self / discipline <<
The conversation might be getting skewed, as is so easily the case in threaded discussions like this. (And I had forgotten how much I love them!) Harrison said: >> Goal seeking systems are purely a figment of our imagination created in a desperate attempt to satisfy our unending (and futile) need for control. << You said: >> Yes, and not every goal seeker is a control freak. Some of us are quite the opposite... there is goal-seeking without a controlling spirit. << And I say: self-discipline is a form of control. It¹s goal-seeking. I didn¹t say it was good or bad :-) but just that it is. We try to control things, including ourselves, in an existence that responds unpredictably. Admittedly, the more information mankind figures out about the world, the more we are able to control things. (I¹m not sure I entirely like that, to be honest.) Still, in this day and age, I can try to exert self-control over my health, and achieve the goal of what, a long life? A healthy life? And all kinds of little goals in between. Still, life can screw with me. I said: >> I don¹t think it¹s possible to be goal-oriented and try to exert some kind of control over the process, unless your goal is to have no goal. << Very badly worded, but I meant that I don¹t think it¹s a rule in life that you can use control and therefore achieve goals. It happens, but I¹m pretty sure it¹s not a rule. I also agree that it¹s human nature to try anyway. And in many ways foolish not to try. The effects of trying is much of the stuff that ³whatever happens² is made of. Me: >> ... being prepared to be surprised is a goal. A sort of wonderfully ridiculous one. You: >> Yes, and the statement itself is: directive. Wait, whats that doing in OST? << Being beautifully, and somewhat amusingly, observational. Like the rest of OST. J x Jenifer Toksvig www.acompletelossforwords.com The Copenhagen Interpretation www.thecopenhageninterpretation.co.uk
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