Yes, I think Christine's reference to a real/burning/business issue is an important one. At issue is, on balance, which setting provides a greater probability that the real/burning/business issue can be clearly identified before the gathering.

My current belief is that, on balance, all else being equal.....these real/burning/business issues are much more likely to be found "inside organizations" rather than "inside conferences."

Once in a while a real/burning/business issue can show up in public events; these to me are exceptions that prove what appears to be a more general rule.

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On 4/28/15 3:57 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
i like this example, christine.

and daniel, your latest reminds me that i've seen some very-lite agile incarnations of opening space. it might be that the hyper focus on process makes the agile folks prone to go deep with it on the one hand and to play fast and loose with outer trappings on the other.

as christine's highlighting, the conversation about noticing these conditions is valuable, separately from the classifying of events.




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On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:44 PM, christine koehler via OSList <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    hi Dan

    Maybe the difference does not lie in the difference between public
    and private events, but as Harrison says, whether there is a real
    « business » issue.

    Let me give you an example : I facilitated a public OST event,
    sponsored by an ad-hoc collective of non-profit, to discuss the
    issue of the role and place, today and in the future,of
    non-for-profit organizations. The invitation was quite long, very
    strong , and reminded the context  to everyone : the lowering of
    public funding for more than one third within a few years, and
    also the number of jobs that the non-profit sector was providing
    and the danger they are now facing. Public authorities were duly
    invited (and came). Urgency was stated in the invitation.
    Event was public : invitation had been widely sent, via flyers
    given hand to hand in the street or put into public places , but
    also via email of relevant networks.
    And yes, the sponsor had taken a great risk in organizing the
    event, but it’s intention was clear and reaffirmed in the opening.
    And the follow-up (date and place) of the event was clear also
    even before the event started and announced at the event.
    The event was a success : very very deep conversations,very few
    butterflies, people being really caught in their subjects.
    One of the result was that they collective changed its name and
    form to represent more clearly the spirit of the discussions that
    took place during those 2 days : open, frank, direct and
    affirming. New energy was found to organize more discussions and
    meetings and they  did a few months later another OST, to keep
    that open spirit. 8 months after, they are still engaged in
    conversations.

    It was a much better OST than a private one I had facilitated
    before where the sponsor had not committed itself to anything and
    felt personally offended when his managers did not dare propose
    topics. No real change was expected from the group, only minor
    ones, although the group had some real issues.  That was obvious .

    Very good lesson for me, I learned a lot although it has been very
    painful. So now I do take the preconditions very seriously no
    matter who the sponsor is, whether the event is public or private
    etc... And , as Harrison suggests, I also avoid transforming a
    regular seminar (like a managers annual meeting) into an open
    space meeting, unless the intention is clearly to change the way
    they work every day.

    Christine

    Le 28 avr. 2015 à 16:12, Daniel Mezick via OSList
    <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :

    Hi Jeff, Chris, Michael and All,

    First of all thanks for your engagement in the thread's topic;
    and adding to the discussion.

    And, I feel that I have to explain myself here.

    After sleeping on this, I have come to realize that part of what
    is motivating me to post about "public vs private" events is....

    .....my limited experience in Open Space.






      * I've attended dozens of public Agile-conference or
        software-conference events with segments that included OST.
      * I've arranged and helped to execute and participated in less
        than 20 OST gathering held inside organizations.
      * I've also attended a few Open-Space-community events that
        were all OST over several days.

    That's not a huge amount of experience data and almost all of is
    Agile-related. Agile being one kind of process change...

    ...And so here is my "aha", and related confession: almost all of
    my OST experience has been part of the Agile community (public
    conference events) or using OST with Agile adoptions (private OST
    events.)

    And the differences are very striking. And that's where I am
    starting from when I discuss the divergences between public vs
    private events. My entire experience is around Agile stuff. In in
    this space, the differences are, well, striking.







    The role of the Sponsor being an obvious example...

    ...Chris contributes:
    /"My experience is that sponsors of any event who are unwilling
    to do the pre-work to shape an intention and invitation and to
    design the architecture for implementation of the results
    (whatever those results are expected to be) will miss the mark on
    transformation."/

    And with respect to private corporate events: you can say that again!

    Now if we look at the role of the Sponsor in a public event, say,
    an annual confab, like in a community of practice, like the Agile
    community for example, we can see some striking differences there.

    In a public event, almost anyone can stand up and welcome the
    group and discuss the context, introduce the Facilitator, etc. So
    for example if the conference Chair wanted to delegate this
    temporary Sponsor role to someone else, they could, and the OST
    will not likely suffer from that. Because the cohesion is low.
    The folks are only there for 1,2,3 days, that is the risk or the
    investment or commitment to it.

    But if this Sponsor-delegation stuff happened in org, and someone
    with little authority sent the invite, did the Sponsor role
    stand-up, welcoming etc, the signal is clear: this event is not
    authorized and therefore has no oomph.







    The Sponsor role:
    ----------------
    With Agile-adoption clients, I've seen this Sponsor-delegation
    stuff suggested and have strongly guided against doing it, based
    on the hypothesis that for process-change and other kinds of
    triggering transitions in organizations, the OST event must be
    clearly and highly authorized.

    The Invite:
    ----------------
    Plus: n most Agile-conference OST events, there IS NO INVITE
    WHATSOVER. The invite is implied via the conference offer, and
    attending the event constitutes acceptance of that "invite." Add
    to this the fact that the theme is often emergent in nature,
    defined not weeks in advance but instead days or hours in advance.

    The Proceedings:
    ----------------
    Finally, the proceedings. In public events, they are often
    nonexistent or an afterthought. In private events...WOW they are
    all over it.


    Regarding Agile-related OST events: Not a whole bunch of people
    have experience observing public vs private OST events in the
    Agile space. If they do, they are not documenting or publishing
    them. Harold Shinsato has some experience here and I think Tricia
    Chirumbole also has a bit of this experience with both. As I say
    previously, most all my experience with OST is inside
    Agile-related situations, both public and private events....






    ...In the end what I am saying is:  the way the Sponsor plays,
    the Invite, and the Proceedings are all very different in my
    experience when comparing public vs private (all Agile-related!)
    events.

    I think what I am calling "low cohesion" is a real factor in
    typical public Agile events. Does this pattern carry to non-Agile
    spaces? Circumstantial evidence includes the fact that BarCamp
    and Unconference formats have proliferated via public events; I
    view these formats as "OST Lite" derivatives of OST.

    I wonder of this creation of more bare-bones OST-related
    gathering formats like Barcamp and Unconference for conference
    events tends to support what I am saying?

    ...so there you go. I wonder what y'all think about this...

    Daniel




    On 4/27/15 11:35 PM, Chris Corrigan wrote:
    Daniel…

    I think what you are proposing is interesting, measuring the
    conditions and how much of each there are.  I say generally,
    that the more of each you have, the better OST works.  But I’d
    never be able to really put a number on it.

    And my experience is that there seems to be no difference
    between the likelihood of public or private events being anymore
    or less likely to exhibit these conditions. There is nothing
    inherent tin the ontology of these two kinds of events that
    would predict that.  The five pre-conditions do seem to point at
    specific factors in the ontology of an event that would make for
    a potentially richer OST event.  Radical transformation is rare
    and is never guaranteed.  But we can work with conditions to
    create potential.

    in fact for me it comes down to the pre-work.  My experience is
    that sponsors of any event who are unwilling to do the pre-work
    to shape an intention and invitation and to design the
    architecture for implementation of the results (whatever those
    results are expected to be) will miss the mark on
    transformation.  (and this pre-work includes being clear about
    what they are NOT doing as well)

    Like any event, the quality of the container matters.  Paying
    attention to the constraints and the attractors builds a
    container where a real need is allowed to produce real
    conversations which can create real action and ultimately
    change. If you don’t break people’s patterns and expectations of
    a meeting or conference beforehand, it’s unlikely they will come
    prepared for transformation.  And that is the biggest predictor
    of “flat feeling” OST events for me.

    I think your text tagged <HERESY> below is actually <HYPOTHESIS>
    and needs to be tested in some way.  But the test will apply to
    your practice, your context and the particular events that you
    are drawn or invited to.  The practice of working with clients
    in Open Space is impossible to standardize.  It is an artisanal
    practice.  There are a few basic skills and talents one needs to
    have developed in order to assure quality, but nothing can take
    the place of experience and the path of mastery that is
    individual and practice based.

    Chris

    On Apr 26, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Jeff Aitken via OSList
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    <HERESY>
    And that is why I think OST is for "development and
    transformation in organizations" (that actual subtitle of the
    SPIRIT book) and that it is not at all as effective, in terms
    of impact, when implemented in a public conference.
    </HERESY>

    I am guessing the scores for the 4 dimensions are almost always
    be lower in a public vs. private event.

    Certainly that is my general subjective observation, based on a
    small sample of direct experience (less than 20 experiences
    doing OST inside corporations...)


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