Michael--

You're right, not as scary. Think I have seen that traveling cart thing before. Both are better than putting a computer on an empty chair. Except for the cost.

I do like you point about what's a space? On the other hand, we still miss the hugs!

:- Doug. Germann



On 08/31/2016 05:13 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
here's a link, doug... https://www.revolverobotics.com/get-kubi/

i think you'll be disappointed in the scary department.  it's really
just a neck/stand for an ipad.  so it's not much more spooky than
television or other video.  there's another version, scroll down on link
above, so somebody can put their face on an ipad and roam the halls,
knocking of office doors to chat and hanging out with folks at the water
cooler.




--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
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On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:07 PM, doug <o...@footprintsinthewind.com
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    Michael--

    Got a picture or link about that robot gizmo? Sounds futuristic and
    a little scary!

    :- Doug. Germann



    On 08/31/2016 04:56 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:

        I watched a video yesterday from a recent conference, a traditional
        affair with all shapes and sizes of workshop/presentation sessions.
        This one I was watching had a sort of panel presentation, with five
        different people sharing stories.  All of their stories were
        accompanied
        by a powerpoint backdrop, but that is sort of forgivable since their
        topic was specifically about visualization of complex work and
        dynamics.  Would have been weird without some visuals to their
        stories
        of visualizations.

        The interesting thing is that one of the panelists was across an
        ocean.
        He presented on the big screen, shared his screen to show his
        examples,
        and all through the session he watched the audience and the other
        speakers on his laptop.  He asked questions of the audience and
        got a
        show of hands.  He was totally there.

        So some of the wondering about face-to-face or online sounds
        like to me
        a bit like asking if open space needs a fancy retreat setting or
        could
        it happen in a ballroom or church basement or middle school
        gymnasium.
        Online in just another place.  Wherever it happens, it's open space,
        right enough.  You can search the archives for when Ralph
        Copleman had
        us cooking up solutions for opening for a large-ish group on a
        beach.

        In a session at the same conference I mentioned, we did two
        sessions on
        distributed teamwork, where people from all over work on the
        same team
        everyday.  We had 40-50 people in the room and another 10 or so
        online,
        via sococo.com <http://sococo.com> <http://sococo.com> and also
        using some little robot

        gizmos each of which lets one person put their face on an ipad and
        remotely control the neck that holds it, so they can turn their
        head,
        nod, look up and down.

        in a recent training conversation we boiled down the must-haves
        in open
        space to just two.  we wiped out circle, postits, chairs, and so
        on.  we
        decided the two essentials were people and a story.

        so if the fifth principle works, online is just another place.  yes,
        some places are better for us than others.  pillars are a
        hassle.  so's
        not being able to see faces of other ppts.  not being able to move
        myself between breakouts is pretty much like fixed theater seating.

        what works online? pretty much what works everywhere else.  we need
        people and a story, someplace to tell the story, so that implies a
        gathering place.  we need a way to see other ppts, their faces
        and their
        groupings in clusters of conversation.  we need a way to wander
        around
        and get in other people's view, to be noticed, so we can say
        hello.  we
        need a way to write and read topics for discussion and hang them
        somewhere.  We need a way for anyone to ask the facilitator a
        question,
        but ideally not in the middle of the opening briefing, or right
        as it
        finishes.  A way to capture notes and share them with everyone.

        The onscreen view can be very simple.  I'm wondering just now
        what it
        would look like as a slightly larger than screen-sized space, so it
        needed to be moved around and zoomed like a google map.  That's a
        totally new idea for me, just now, and I think i do like that.
        Zoom and
        Slide in a big online working space.  Can you rig that up, Lucas?




        --

        Michael Herman
        Michael Herman Associates
        312-280-7838 <tel:312-280-7838> (mobile)

        http://MichaelHerman.com
        http://OpenSpaceWorld.org



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            Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still
        have face
            to face meetings with all the tech available for communication:
            higher bandwidth.

            Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.

            Peggy



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                On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList
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                The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it
            happened, the
                folks who were present for the first OS, and subsequently
                constituted major parts of the early community were all
            Techies of
                a sort. Some of them actually designed systems and wrote
            code and
                others were more “eager participants” – that would
            include me. The
                new toy was Internet, which at the point we became
            involved was
                still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET.
            The world
                changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is
            pretty limp. ____
                __ __
                Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw
                possibilities in OS. One group came to me with what they
            thought
                was a revolutionary idea: Set up a room full of laptops
            and have
                everybody communicate through them and a “master” screen
            set on
                the wall. The whole thing was prewired and magnificently
            packaged.
                They made their presentation, but their faces fell when
            I said,
                “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact,
            I believe
                they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to
            corporations
                who were (had been) convinced that their executives were
            too shy,
                or whatever, to communicate directly, face to face. ____
                __ __
                The iterations have continued over the years. You know
            the most
                recent ones, but there are more. I have always admired
            the energy
                and creativity. But at the end of the day, I really
            didn’t see
                much value added that couldn’t have been supplied (at
            much less
                cost) by the simple application of everyday, off the
            shelf kinds
                of stuff. I do grant that the proposed systems were an
            awful lot
                prettier – and I really was impressed with my electronic
                “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me
            that we
                were looking at a technology in search of an application. I
                totally understand the techie attraction, and I salute their
                tenacity….____
                __ __
                Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience
                online” just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed
            odious –
                but it rather reminds me of attempting to replicate
            making love. ____
                __ __
                So I guess I am back to where I started – What next?
            It’s wide
                open and massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I
            don’t
                think.____
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                Hello HO,____

                NOW WHAT indeed!____

                No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me
            bubbling
                forth with the feeling of "love",  a word I would not
            have dared
                utter loudly in public, most especially in professional
            contexts.
                Yet those feelings are undeniably there and I shall
            utter them as
                they happen. :-) So far I've survived speaking my
            mind... Even
                more it's blasted holes by opening more space that led to
                productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I
            didn't keep
                my mouth shut. With guys and gals. ____

                Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual
            world.
                Beyond the so called internet. As one who has hosted
            often in my
                physical house and been similarly hosted in the homes of
            others, I
                know there is more to be invented there.
                While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will
            gladly
                partake in the joy of this imagined future experience
            and I will
                wholeheartedly nudge, prod, and encourage those who
            passionately
                see beyond the reaches of what I see. ____

                So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a
            hearty
                Martini in Manila so I can paint a picture of what I
            see?____

                After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of
            Open Space
                with all this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am
            I that it
                came my way!____

                From a happy Florida camper,
                Suzanne____

                On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen"
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                > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are
            right!! AND.
                Your imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I
                imagine the possibility of  a Virtual House where I
            could drop in
                to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and
            Open Space
                pals, from around the world, I know that this
            possibility exists.
                To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in
            Manila,
                Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
                >
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                > Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time.
            Ever
                since!!!! It’s called The Internet.
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                > NOW WHAT!
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                > To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology
            email list
                > Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for
            Online OS using
                video chat?
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                >
                > Dear Lucas and all,
                >
                >
                >
                > As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I
            realize once
                again how passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and
            others are
                about creating virtual experiences for others and with
            others.
                With the spirit and essence of Open Space. Thank you so
            very much!
                >
                >
                >
                > In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past
            virtual Open
                Space events (Brené Brown and the Global Conversation -
            Maestro
                and Brian Burt) and Harrison's 80th Birthday Party
            (Lucas and
                Michael Herman)  last year and yes WOSonOS Florida too (Ben
                Roberts and others) with opportunities here and there to
            welcome
                colleagues.
                >
                >
                >
                > None perfect but all exhilarating in the trailblazing and
                experiencing of it.
                >
                >
                >
                > Lucas I share your "Field of Dream Passion - Build it
            and They
                Will Come" though not in developing, refining, improving or
                simplifying the mechanics of it in the backroom so all
            can go
                smooth in the virtual space. That is not my expertise or
            passion.
                It is the work of unsung heroes.
                >
                >
                >
                > If I was to focus on your word "simplest" aka
            "simplify", I
                wonder if we could not create the feel of sitting in a
            circle
                without talking about a circle (like sitting around a
            campfire, in
                the comfort of your living room or around your kitchen
            table)?
                Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms and corners where
                people can go hang out?  Rather than a marketplace wall,
            it could
                be like going to a movie with a bill board that
            announces the
                movies that are playing. Then of course you could see
            who's there,
                in which room. People would instantly think this is
            really cool
                and not a process thing.
                >
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                > We know that Open Space works best when we don't talk
            about Open
                Space; we don't talk about a circle, breakouts and
            stuff.  We
                simply invite from the purpose, theme or reason for
            meeting. In
                those first moments of sitting in a circle, looking at
            the floor
                and the marketplace wall, it all seems so foreign to
            people who
                have never experienced OS before. Why then should we
            bring these
                concepts into the virtual space?  We don't have to
            counteract the
                familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the
            podium or a
                panel of speakers.
                >
                > We can create brand new space - a space of welcome,
            connecting
                and getting things done from the comfort of our own home
            or office
                or wherever.
                >
                >
                >
                > For each element of Open Space, there could be a way of
                explaining it that invites a degree of freedom that feels
                different, open and fun. People might attribute it to
            "this is how
                it happens virtually" and in the process they would be
            living the
                law of two feet. We'd be communicating intent as we give the
                mechanics of how to move around.
                >
                >
                >
                > I'm sorry if I got a bit carried away. Ben Roberts
            once told me
                years ago that he pictured that some virtual meetings
            could be
                better than in person. I didn't quite believe him. Today
            as I
                imagine the possibility of  a Virtual House where I
            could drop in
                to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and
            Open Space
                pals, from around the world, I know that this
            possibility exists.
                To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in
            Manila,
                Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.
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                > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList
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                > Hi All,
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                > I would be super-excited to hear how folks would
            design the
                simplest online Open Space experience using video chat.
                >
                >
                >
                > I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further
            down so that
                you might have a moment to think about what online OS
            experience
                would work best for you, rather than letting my thoughts
            influence
                yours.
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                > My...
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                > thoughts...
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                > 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You
            can see the
                following:
                >
                > where the opening circle is
                > how many virtual breakout spaces there are
                > who is in each virtual space right now
                > what is being discussed now and in the future (a
            bulletin board
                / marketplace / idea wall)
                >
                > 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your
            video chat.
                >
                >
                >
                > Note: The following features seem helpful but not
            necessary:
                >
                > 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area
                available to all participants.
                >
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                > 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that
            you'd like
                to speak.
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                > 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I
            have to
                step away for a moment").
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                > Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to
            hearing what
                you have in mind!
                >
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                > Lucas Cioffi
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                > Founder, QiqoChat
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                > Charlottesville, VA
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