"Why then was there a need for this 'copyright' with Creative Commons, Open
Source that affirms definition and ownership as well as also giving it
away..with due credit of course?"
Who knows? Who cares? I don't.
ho
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Thank you Harrison, I have understood that even though a copyright is in place
for the book, that since you are the copyright holder you then had the freedom
to 'give OST away'. A gift that I among countless many appreciate.
Why then was there a need for this 'copyright' with Creative Commons, Open
Source that affirms definition and ownership as well as also giving it
away..with due credit of course?
As for breathing, I personally am giving it my best go.
Birgitt
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On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:07 PM Harrison Owen via OSList
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
Birgitt, I guess I am about as confused as you are. Open Space (OST) is and
has been free ever since. True, the book(s) were copyrighted, but that was just
a matter of custom, so far as I was concerned. When Berrett-Koehler took over
my books, being a commercial operation they covered their investments with
copyright. As they should. The book WAS copyrighted. Open Space was not, could
never be, and was as always FREE. Birthright of every creature on the planet.
It's who we are, how we are, what we do ... rather like breathing. Can't
patent, can't copy write, Of course you could just STOP (breathing).
Harrison
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Sent: Wed, Jun 12, 2019 4:57 pm
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Hi all,I would appreciate some clarification please.
1.I remember taking/sponsoring OST training with Harrison as the trainer, seven
times, in those early days of helping OST get better understood to those
interested in better understanding it. I see on this list frequently comments
about Harrison not doing training in OST and yet my lived experience was
different...and I am much better off in oh so many ways for having had the
benefit of that time with Harrison and the training. Have we recreated the
story line to say that Harrison did not do training and why? the training was
life changing and we learned OST, not some variation of OS.
2. The books written by Harrison, both the original versions and the books
thereafter published by Berrett-Kohler are all copyrighted. Of particular
interest to me is that Open Space Technology:the User's Guide, is copyrighted.
It is a wonderful handbook of how to go through the form of facilitating an OST
meeting. Via this copyrighted book, Harrison made it possible to read the book
and go ahead and follow what is said and have OST meetings. Does this not mean
that via the copyrighting of the book, that the process of OST is copyrighted?
3. Assuming that the copyrighting took place via copyrighting the User's Guide,
what is it that is currently placed within Open Source etc? Is it only the
definition of OST that is on the US OS Institute website and if so, what is the
implication? I have read the footnote on that reference "©2016 Harrison Owen
and the Open Space Institute U.S. Offered for license under the Attribution
Share-Alike licenseof Creative Commons, accessible at
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode and also described
insummary form at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/. By utilizing
this Open Source OST ReferenceDefinition you acknowledge and agree that you
have read and agree to be bound by the terms of the Attribution ShareAlike
license of Creative Commons. The URL to the original must be included:
http://osius.org/ost-reference-definition";. It seems to me that it is only this
reference that is in the S-A Creative Commons.
Clarification please.
Birgitt
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On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 5:03 AM Daniel Mezick via OSList
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
Greetings to All,
I am very happy that Open Space Technology is now published under a truly
open-source license. What this means in practical terms is that anyone can
derive from OST and even commercialize that derivation, so long as two very
important conditions are met:
1. The derived work is **also** published and made freely available, free to
the world, under that same CC-BY-SA (truly open-source) license, and
2. The person creating the new work provides very clear and distinct
attribution back to the source, in this case clearly referring-back to the link
to the open-source OST Reference Definition and license per the terms of that
license:
http://osius.org/ost-reference-definition
You may wonder where I stand on open source licensing. Or, maybe not. Probably
not!
But, just for the record, here is where I stand on open-source licensing for
social technologies like OST:
Protocols for interactions, frameworks for organizing teams, and meeting
designs are inherently social technologies. Social technologies have the
potential to advance the progress and functioning of teams, communities and the
wider society at large. Social technology can improve organizations,
communities and even civilization itself.
For social technologies to rapidly advance human progress, they must be
published in a way that allows for their free derivation, innovation and
combination. The open source licensing of social technology allows this, and
thereby encourages genuine and lasting human progress.Social technologies such
as interaction protocols, organizing frameworks, and meeting designs carry with
them the great potential to improve human conditions.
Human progress is impeded when promising social technologies are closed to
derivation and commercialization into new, innovative and useful forms,
combinations and designs.
Innovation and human progress is encouraged when social technologies are
published in an open way, under a true open source license.
The publication of promising social technology under open-to-innovate licensing
arrangements represents a very large opportunity to rapidly accelerate human
progress.
In light of the foregoing, I plan to immediately incorporate a reference to
open-source OST into my own designs, to get aligned 100% with this.
I have developed some social technology that builds upon and in fact derives
from Open Space Technology. Here they are:
1. http://www.Prime-OS.com: PRIME/OS, an Engagement Model. Prime/OS is
published open-source.
2. http://www.OpenSpaceAgility.com: OPENSPACE AGILITY is also open-source
because it based on and refers to open-source Prime/OS. OpenSpace Agility is
published open-source per the terms of the Prime-OS license.
What I plan to do in light of this OST Reference Definition is the following:
1. Update the Prime/OS Reference Definition so that it derives from the OST
Reference Definition on the proper way. I also plan to add the link from OSI-US
to the definition of Prime/OS, and make it clear that Prime/OS is using OST and
is based upon it. And that Prime/OS ***derives from** OST.
REFERENCE LINKS:
Here are some reference links for those who want to dig deeper on this subject
of open licensing:
Freedom Defined: https://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/CC-BY-SA
Link to the CC-BY-SA license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/
Link to Prime/OS Reference Definition (I plan to update this document soon):
https://openspaceagility.com/prime/download-prime/
So, there you go, I am happy that OST is published under an open source
license, and I hope anyone and everyone with some kind of derivation of Open
Space Technology refers back to this license and publishes their derivations
open and free.
This is a big deal !
I hope you find all of this interesting.
Have a nice day!
-Daniel
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On Jun 9, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
Well said! Harrison From: OSList
[mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Barry Owen via
OSList
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 7:41 AM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: Barry Owen
Subject: Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin Harold - What you wrote is
great. Thank you! Bhavish, I could copy and paste your comments @ Massacre of
Open Space and send them to a group that does an annual event here in
Nashville. This event began with me doing an Open Space event. I invited
REALTORS to come together to talk about issues and opportunities we were facing
as a direct result of the Economic Downward Spiral in 2008 which was
devastating for many. Because this topic also affected all of the "Service
Support" people we rely on during transactions (Lenders, Title Companies,
Contractors, Inspectors, & etc), I invited them to come as sponsors. 24 of
these sponsors paid $150 each for a table to display information about their
business. This money paid all of the overhead, so the event was free for the
REALTORS. I arranged these tables in a concentric circle around the Main
Circle and invited the sponsors to attend as participants. This was an Open
Space meeting about a very important issue with people from every conceivable
Real Estate related business - 300 REALTORS attended, and the event was a huge
success. The following year, I was queueing up a "2nd Annual" event when I was
approached by a group of people who had the backing of the REALTOR Association.
Based on the success of the event I facilitated, they decided to do it using
BarCamp - NashvilleREBarcamp and scheduled their event to conflict with mine.
They asked me join forces with them rather than having 2 different events. With
reservation, I agreed, and the event was also a huge success (Although not Open
Space) - 500 Participants - More "Traditional" arrangement for sponsors who
paid more money to sponsor breakout spaces and were not, under any
circumstances, allowed to do any promotion beyond their name on the breakout
space. Over the past 10 years, that event has grown and morphed into what you
describe . . . and even worse. The 10th Annual was a couple months ago - Over
700 REALTORS registered . . . There were @ 30 "Experts" who flew in from all
over the country to "teach" sessions. There were @ 35 sessions (I did one about
"Operating a Brokerage in Open Space"). All of the sessions were scheduled
before the doors opened. I was disappointed because I thought it could have
been way better in Open Space Technology, but . . . I decided it was better
than nothing :-) As I went through the day, I noticed that, even though OST
wasn't the process for the meeting . . . Open Space happened for many of the
participants. My general observation is that Open Space happens at some level
every time any group gathers . . . Having the meeting using OST simply
increases the impact for more of the participants. So . . . Harrison Owen's
mantra of "Just Open more Space" is happening every day as each of us is out
there engaging important and complex issues and opportunities . . . even when
it doesn't look like OST. On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 3:58 PM Harold Shinsato via
OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
Very interesting conversation and attempts to describe OST!
I'm reading Nassim Nicholas Taleb's book, Anti-Fragile. It seems to me Open
Space is antifragile.
The idea of antifragility goes beyond resilience. Life in general is
antifragile. It doesn't just bounce back from set-backs. It actually gets
stronger as it overcomes challenges and stress.
Antifragility seems relevant in this conversation as it seems the more people
try to document or describe Open Space, even with rather challenging
inaccuracies, the stronger it gets. I like Liberating Structures. The
'min-specs' for OST seem accurate in the book and the website, even if it
leaves out how much more powerful it gets in the "long form" (or at least more
than 90 minutes). And it leaves out the need to get strong authorization from
leaders. I love that it says it's not open space without the law of two feet.
But the Liberating Structures 'min-specs' don't emphasize the importance of not
generating topics ahead of time. I've unfortunately encountered rather large
events claiming to be 'open space' where the participants either generated the
topics in advance, or worse, didn't even get to generate the topics.
The "Open Space" with-a-twist as described on
https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology shows a nice picture and I hope
it introduces more folks to Open Space Technology. For me at least, doing the
agenda creation before the OST is an unconference trick, but it hugely
diminishes the potential power of OST.
For what it is worth - Harrison Owen may not have claimed any ownership rights
of Open Space, but what he did do is ask us to share back what we learn as we
practice Open Space. That should start by honoring and sharing our sources.
Another way to reference back is a project the Open Space Institute U.S. did a
several years ago with Harrison Owen's help. "Open Space Technology: The
Reference Definition" which is Creative Commons Share and Adapt (cc by-sa)
licensed. So feel free to reference it as you share-and-extend. Twisty or
Straight!
http://osius.org/ost-reference-definition
Regards,
HaroldOn 6/5/19 8:10 AM, Robin Muretisch, Facilitative Insights, LLC via
OSList wrote:
For everyone, the Liberating Structures site has a handy “min specs”
description of OST. Here’s the link:
http://www.liberatingstructures.com/25-open-space-technology/. Regards,Robin
Robin D. H. Muretisch, CPF, MBA, CPAIAF Certified™ Professional
facilitatorro...@facinsights.com | 770.371.5874 |
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Cc: Nick Martin <n...@workshopbank.com>
Subject: Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin Thanks for your open letter
Marai. I'm always excited and willing to receive feedback.
As you'll remember over a year ago I opened up the content of this article for
comments and input from this list in the form of a Google Doc.
Such was the passion exhibited in the original thread I was eager and excited
to receive your inputs. Unfortunately only two people replied though. I'm very
grateful to both you and Keith Blundell for taking the time.
I must admit life took over and in my wait for more input other priorities took
over. I'm happy to revisit it now though as I can feel the energy is back and
I'd like to the right thing in the eyes of this excellent community.
Here's the link -
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufIsy0BQvIqlRUbW0FAyXHGV0IKw3VdDT8L91RIJJU8/edit?usp=sharing
Please add your thoughts, comments and feedback and amend the article as best I
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On 05/06/2019 01:53, Marai Kiele wrote:
Hello Nick Martin, I find myself tense in my belly after reading your
newsletter today: I just wanted to share with you a popular
WorkshopBank tool you can start using with your clients right away. Let me know
what you think. You suggest that the reader lets you know what they think. I
choose to do that. I also choose to do that in the form of an open letter, as
several months back you asked on the os-list for input to your description of
the OST process for the Workshopbank.You introduced your version of „OST with a
twist“, and there was a somewhat heated discussion on this list about it.I
participated in both, revising and giving you feedback on your description (as
requested) and discussing about „is something with such a twist still OST?“
Your twist was about giving the leaders control about the topics.
Back then I used the analogy that you are mixing red wine with coca cola (which
some people actually do and drink — I tried it out as a teenager).And that
calling such a beverage „red wine with a twist“ is an inaccurate representation
of a) red wine and b) the taste that a consumer will experience.(side note:
usually, this mix is done with red wine of poor quality)
In my analogy, OST is the red wine and controlling the process is the
coke. In your description, you early on distinguish between OST and OST with a
twist. I first appreciated you for making that distinction so upfront. Then I
read what you wrote under:If you’re following the traditional Open Space
Process...
- 1
Gather your participants together and briefly explain how Open Space events
work using Harrison Owen’s 1 Law and the Guiding Principles as appropriate.
Traditionally you should do this with everyone in a circle around you but you
don’t necessarily have to.
- 2
Ask participants to spend 10 minutes thinking through if they have any issues
they’d like to raise.
- 3
If there is a general agreement that the issue has enough support and passion
behind it invite the issue owner to add the issue to the schedule.
- 4
Once all issues have been added invite the participants to sign-up for the
sessions they’re planning on attending (they are free to change their mind
later if they want to).
- 5
Your sessions start. There is much more on this page that, as I see it, is NOT
"the traditional Open Space Process“. I am giving just some further
examples:https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology
Process for a Session
- 1
Each session should be a round group of chairs (no table in the middle) with
preferably one facilitator to lead the discussion and a scribe on the
flip-chart.
- 2
A session starts with the issue owner welcoming and thanking the group for
coming and then giving a description of the issue as they see it.
- 3
The facilitator then leads the discussion inviting people to give their input
at their request.
- 4
The scribe records the discussion on flip chart paper making sure to mark
Issues, Ideas, Questions (that can’t be answered today) & Actions. When a flip
is finished they should tear it off and put it in the center of the circle or
on a nearby wall for people in the group to see.
- 5
Allow people to leave and arrive as they see fit though don’t allow them to
interrupt or slow-down your progress. It is a new arrival’s responsibility to
catch-up with the discussion using the flip chart outputs no matter how high up
or important they are.
- 6
When the issue looks like it has been covered and there are no more inputs
coming from your group thank them for their time and invite them to join other
groups if the session time is not over. To me, calling this description "the
traditional Open Space Process“ I wonder if - I am totally
rigid and should just loosen up to the variations of OST - You
have never experienced a traditional Open Space Process - You
just don’t care about the originality and instead rather cater to business
needs of controlled processes that limit self-organisation - I
misremember all my trainings with Harrison Owen, Michael M Pannwitz, Michael
Pannwitz jr, Joe Töpfer, and last but not least Birgitt Williams.
- or… ? I totally don’t get it. I don’t like what you are doing.I also
dislike that you market this description of „the traditional Open Space
Process“ as „a popular WorkshopBank Tool“. I feel sad when I imagine people
following your description and spreading the word that „this is the traditional
way of doing OST“. Using my former analogy: I imagine what you are doing is
like a beverage shop introducing someone who has never tasted a good red wine
to that beverage.Because this person usually drink coke, they are being given
red wine mixed with coke (to match their taste buds).And then they are being
told, „this is a traditional Cabernet Sauvignon“. I want you to revise your
description and move your adaptions away from "the original version" to „OST
with a twist“. Are you willing to do that? Probably even better: Call it
„…………….. - a process partly inspired by Open Space Technology“ I look forward
to your response,Marai
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