Harold Shinsato: Harrison’s challenge: what are the questions we haven’t answered yet? Here are two that stir me: 1. What is “radical”opening space? 2. Sharing Lived experience: Documenting the essential elements and patterns of behavior in an open space organization?
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 5:21 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > Send OSList mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. This list serve is antiquated big time (Mark Carmel) > 2. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in > my Mach Mail programme (Michael Herman) > 3. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in > my Mach Mail programme (doug) > 4. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in > my Mach Mail programme (Michael M Pannwitz) > 5. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in > my Mach Mail programme (Thomas Herrmann) > 6. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in > my Mach Mail programme (gerardo de luzenberger) > 7. Re: This list serve is antiquated big time (Harold Shinsato) > 8. Re: This list serve is antiquated big time (Rolf F. Katzenberger) > 9. Re: This list serve is antiquated big time (Birgitt Williams) > 10. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in > my Mach Mail programme (Harold Shinsato) > 11. Did anyone see what the crooked stock market did today? They > put the invisible hand of the free market enterprise system > directly in the cash register. The world is now closed ladies and > gentlemen and to think Otherwise simply proves that fools and > their money are soon parted. (Mark Carmel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 18:15:13 -0700 > From: Mark Carmel <[email protected]> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <[email protected]> > Subject: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time > Message-ID: > <CAFDvDFig2AJaL=em6WV20CvC8MGa6HOTJqT2ZAt= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform > started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch > up with a workable format. This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for > your consideration, > Mark Carmel > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20210127/dbcf3b40/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 18:27:03 -0700 > From: Michael Herman <[email protected]> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it > arrives in my Mach Mail programme > Message-ID: > <CAD8j=QEavLr0ebF= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps. > expect, and celebrate, apparent delays! > > > -- > > Michael Herman > Michael Herman Associates > 312-280-7838 (mobile) > > MichaelHerman.com > OpenSpaceWorld.org > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:30 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Romy, Anne, > > > > I don't use, nor do I recommend the "Digest" format. You can change that > > if you scroll to the bottom of every email from the OSList and manage > your > > subscription. You might need to reset your password if you have forgotten > > it. > > > > I know it means less email traffic in your inbox if you receive the > > "Digest" format, but it makes it really hard for the rest of us to know > > when you reply what email you are replying to. And the digest format will > > not be in the nice format like you want. I don't have the capacity to > write > > another group email program to fix that. > > > > Threads are a feature of your email reading program. I can turn on > threads > > for my Thunderbird. By default the GMail app lists things by > conversations, > > as do many others. But GMail doesn't do that if you use the GNU MailMan > > Digest feature - which jams a whole bunch of OSList emails into a single > > email. And you can't change how MailMan does the jamming. > > > > Hope that makes sense. And my profuse apologies for not being an active > > moderator or manager of the OSList, and that I don't reply quickly to > > requests. Sometimes I don't even see them. Many many apologies! There is > a > > big chunk of work on my plate for the OSList to upgrade us to the latest > > version which should solve several problems, though I don't think it will > > solve the "Digest" problem. I'm hoping all of us can self-manage most of > > the other needs. > > > > Harold > > > > On 1/26/21 3:14 AM, Romy Shovelton via OSList wrote: > > > > Hello Harold, > > > > It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The person > who > > is behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the OSLIST? and with > us > > once again, helping with all sorts of technical magic. Thanks again. > > > > I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the OSLIST > > arrives into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below?. I receive this > list > > with duplicates of conversations through it + lots of other general > stuff? > > making it hard to pick out the thread of a conversation. > > > > Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account - in > > wonderfully clear threads, where you can see responses to a particular > > posting, and not extraneous bla bla. I tried logging into gmail, rather > > than my Mach Mail programme, and unfortunately did not receive the OSLIST > > in the way that Suzanne does. > > > > Do you have any clues about what I might do? > > > > Thanks again SO much > > > > Romy > > > > > > *Romy Shovelton* > > > > *Executive Director* > > *Wikima* and the > > *5* Tyddyn Retreat Mid Wales Venue & Holiday Cottages* > > > > www.wikima.com > > *www.walescottageandvenue.com <http://www.walescottageandvenue.com>* > > Facebook: Tyddyn Retreat > > Twitter: @MidWalesRetreat > > Instagram: tyddynretreat > > > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > skype: romy shovelton > > > > +44 (0) 7767 370739 > > +44 (0) 1686 420725 > > > > Tyddyn y Pwll, Carno > > Caersws, Powys, SY17 5JU > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > *From: *[email protected] > > *Subject: **OSList Digest, Vol 117, Issue 29* > > *Date: *25 January 2021 at 23:28:45 GMT > > *To: *[email protected] > > *Reply-To: *[email protected] > > > > Send OSList mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Being present and listen (K?ri Gunnarsson) > > 2. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It > > Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken) > > 3. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It > > Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken) > > 4. Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation (Alexander Schilling) > > > > > > -- > > Harold Shinsato > > [email protected] > > https://shinsato.com > > twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush> > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > Past archives can be viewed here: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20210127/392c8b14/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 20:52:21 -0500 > From: doug <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it > arrives in my Mach Mail programme > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hey folks, be kind. This list is managed by one overworked person > (Harold), and the cost to maintain it is paid by the Open Space > Institute-USA. They could use your help in the way of donations to pay > for it, so everyone can use it for free. > > :- Doug. > > > > On 1/27/21 8:27 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote: > > holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps. > > expect, and celebrate, apparent delays! > > > > > > -- > > > > Michael Herman > > Michael Herman Associates > > 312-280-7838 (mobile) > > > > MichaelHerman.com <http://MichaelHerman.com> > > OpenSpaceWorld.org <http://OpenSpaceWorld.org> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:30 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi Romy, Anne, > > > > I don't use, nor do I recommend the "Digest" format. You can change > > that if you scroll to the bottom of every email from the OSList and > > manage your subscription. You might need to reset your password if > > you have forgotten it. > > > > I know it means less email traffic in your inbox if you receive the > > "Digest" format, but it makes it really hard for the rest of us to > > know when you reply what email you are replying to. And the digest > > format will not be in the nice format like you want. I don't have > > the capacity to write another group email program to fix that. > > > > Threads are a feature of your email reading program. I can turn on > > threads for my Thunderbird. By default the GMail app lists things by > > conversations, as do many others. But GMail doesn't do that if you > > use the GNU MailMan Digest feature - which jams a whole bunch of > > OSList emails into a single email. And you can't change how MailMan > > does the jamming. > > > > Hope that makes sense. And my profuse apologies for not being an > > active moderator or manager of the OSList, and that I don't reply > > quickly to requests. Sometimes I don't even see them. Many many > > apologies! There is a big chunk of work on my plate for the OSList > > to upgrade us to the latest version which should solve several > > problems, though I don't think it will solve the "Digest" problem. > > I'm hoping all of us can self-manage most of the other needs. > > > > ??? Harold > > > > On 1/26/21 3:14 AM, Romy Shovelton via OSList wrote: > >> Hello Harold, > >> > >> It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The > >> person who is behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the > >> OSLIST? and with us once again, helping with all sorts of > >> technical magic. Thanks again. > >> > >> I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the > >> OSLIST arrives into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below?. I > >> receive this list with duplicates of conversations through it + > >> lots of other general stuff? making it hard to pick out the thread > >> of a conversation. > >> > >> Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account - > >> in wonderfully clear threads, where you can see responses to a > >> particular posting, and not extraneous bla bla. I tried logging > >> into gmail, rather than my Mach Mail programme, and unfortunately > >> did not receive the OSLIST in the way that Suzanne does. > >> > >> Do you have any clues about what I might do? > >> > >> Thanks again SO much > >> > >> Romy > >> > >> > >> *Romy Shovelton* > >> > >> *Executive Director* > >> *Wikima*?and the *5* Tyddyn Retreat > >> Mid Wales Venue & Holiday?Cottages* > >> > >> www.wikima.com <http://www.wikima.com> > >> *www.walescottageandvenue.com <http://www.walescottageandvenue.com > >* > >> Facebook: Tyddyn Retreat > >> Twitter: @MidWalesRetreat > >> Instagram: tyddynretreat > >> > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] > > > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> skype: romy shovelton > >> > >> +44 (0) 7767 370739 > >> +44 (0) 1686 420725 > >> > >> Tyddyn y Pwll, Carno > >> Caersws, Powys, SY17 5JU > >> > >>> Begin forwarded message: > >>> > >>> *From: *[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> *Subject: **OSList Digest, Vol 117, Issue 29* > >>> *Date: *25 January 2021 at 23:28:45 GMT > >>> *To: *[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> *Reply-To: *[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> > >>> Send OSList mailing list submissions to > >>> [email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> > >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >>> > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >>> [email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> > >>> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>> [email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> > >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >>> than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > >>> Today's Topics: > >>> > >>> ??1. Being present and listen (K?ri Gunnarsson) > >>> ??2. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It > >>> ?????Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken) > >>> ??3. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It > >>> ?????Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken) > >>> ??4. Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation (Alexander Schilling) > > > > -- > > Harold Shinsato > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://shinsato.com > > twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush> > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > Past archives can be viewed here: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 09:55:49 +0100 > From: Michael M Pannwitz <[email protected]> > To: doug via OSList <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it > arrives in my Mach Mail programme > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Dear Doug, > > just received my Economic Impact Payment of 600$ signed by the former > President of the USA. > > Well, your email came just in time to send a 100$ donation to the Open > Space Institute-USA that they can use as they wish and I would love to > see it go into a retirement fund of our overworked colleague in Montana. > Here is the PayPal transfer note > > "Hallo Michael M Pannwitz! > PayPal > Sie haben eine Zahlung ?ber $100,00 USD an Open Space Institute (US) > ([email protected]) gesendet" > > For those of you who forgot their highschool German: > > "Hello Michael M Pannwitz! > PayPal > You donated $ 100.00 USD to the Open Space Institute (US) > ([email protected]) " > > Sending donations to OSI USA is easy, go here > > https://osius.org/content/about > > scroll down a bit and look right. > > If 100 of us that received an Economic Impact Payment divert 100 bucks > to OSI USA the retirement fund for Harold could snap up to 10.100,00 > (tenthousandonehundred) in a jiffy... or for whatever the wise elders at > OSI USA want to use it. > > Greetings from Berlin where I am pondering what to do with the other 500. > Yes, I can add some to the "Revolving Credit Fund" of the Open Space > World Map. > In case anyone of you is not a member of the WorldMap, join (by the way, > contributing financially to the Map is not a prerequisite for being > listed in the Map) > Just go here > > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion > > Now, having blown the horn for the glorious OSI USA and the very fine > World Map I expect responses galore. Now. > > mmp > > > > Am 28.01.2021 um 02:52 schrieb doug via OSList: > > Hey folks, be kind. This list is managed by one overworked person > > (Harold), and the cost to maintain it is paid by the Open Space > > Institute-USA. They could use your help in the way of donations to pay > > for it, so everyone can use it for free. > > > > :- Doug. > > > > > > > > On 1/27/21 8:27 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote: > >> holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps. > >> expect, and celebrate, apparent delays! > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Michael Herman > >> Michael Herman Associates > >> 312-280-7838 (mobile) > > > -- > Michael M Pannwitz > Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin > ++49 - 30-772 8000 [email protected] > > > In der Open Space World Map tummeln sich 159 Menschen, die in > Deutschland, ?sterreich und der Schweiz mit dem open space Verfahren > arbeiten. > Weltweit sind es 510 aus 77 L?ndern, die in 142 L?ndern os verbreiten. > Mal reinschauen: http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/ > > Bei Westkreuz gibts B?cher/e-B?cher, K?rtchens?tze und Sch?tze auf > Deutsch und Englisch zu und um open space herum, auch mehrsprachige. > https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Kommunikation > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:36:50 +0000 > From: Thomas Herrmann <[email protected]> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it > arrives in my Mach Mail programme > Message-ID: > < > db9pr07mb72578ae5211d401ab441cbfbd5...@db9pr07mb7257.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have created a separate folder for list emails, this stops my inbox from > being crammed but of makes a risk of not being ?there? present all the time > ? > Hugs to you all open spacers > Thomas > > Fr?n: OSList <[email protected]> F?r Harold Shinsato > via OSList > Skickat: den 27 januari 2021 16:31 > Till: [email protected] > Kopia: Harold Shinsato <[email protected]> > ?mne: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives > in my Mach Mail programme > > Hi Romy, Anne, > > I don't use, nor do I recommend the "Digest" format. You can change that > if you scroll to the bottom of every email from the OSList and manage your > subscription. You might need to reset your password if you have forgotten > it. > > I know it means less email traffic in your inbox if you receive the > "Digest" format, but it makes it really hard for the rest of us to know > when you reply what email you are replying to. And the digest format will > not be in the nice format like you want. I don't have the capacity to write > another group email program to fix that. > > Threads are a feature of your email reading program. I can turn on threads > for my Thunderbird. By default the GMail app lists things by conversations, > as do many others. But GMail doesn't do that if you use the GNU MailMan > Digest feature - which jams a whole bunch of OSList emails into a single > email. And you can't change how MailMan does the jamming. > > Hope that makes sense. And my profuse apologies for not being an active > moderator or manager of the OSList, and that I don't reply quickly to > requests. Sometimes I don't even see them. Many many apologies! There is a > big chunk of work on my plate for the OSList to upgrade us to the latest > version which should solve several problems, though I don't think it will > solve the "Digest" problem. I'm hoping all of us can self-manage most of > the other needs. > > Harold > On 1/26/21 3:14 AM, Romy Shovelton via OSList wrote: > Hello Harold, > > It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The person who > is behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the OSLIST? and with us > once again, helping with all sorts of technical magic. Thanks again. > > I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the OSLIST > arrives into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below?. I receive this list > with duplicates of conversations through it + lots of other general stuff? > making it hard to pick out the thread of a conversation. > > Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account - in > wonderfully clear threads, where you can see responses to a particular > posting, and not extraneous bla bla. I tried logging into gmail, rather > than my Mach Mail programme, and unfortunately did not receive the OSLIST > in the way that Suzanne does. > > Do you have any clues about what I might do? > > Thanks again SO much > > Romy > > > Romy Shovelton > > Executive Director > Wikima and the 5* Tyddyn Retreat > Mid Wales Venue & Holiday Cottages > > www.wikima.com<http://www.wikima.com> > www.walescottageandvenue.com<http://www.walescottageandvenue.com> > Facebook: Tyddyn Retreat > Twitter: @MidWalesRetreat > Instagram: tyddynretreat > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > skype: romy shovelton > > +44 (0) 7767 370739 > +44 (0) 1686 420725 > > Tyddyn y Pwll, Carno > Caersws, Powys, SY17 5JU > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: [email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]> > Subject: OSList Digest, Vol 117, Issue 29 > Date: 25 January 2021 at 23:28:45 GMT > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]> > > Send OSList mailing list submissions to > [email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Being present and listen (K?ri Gunnarsson) > 2. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It > Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken) > 3. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It > Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken) > 4. Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation (Alexander Schilling) > > -- > Harold Shinsato > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > https://shinsato.com > twitter: @hajush<http://twitter.com/hajush> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20210128/e2d1501e/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:15:14 +0100 > From: gerardo de luzenberger <[email protected]> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it > arrives in my Mach Mail programme > Message-ID: > < > cank02om3-6moe_tsyso0uaj58e6aed+zm7sas5o1ohoql9d...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Michael lucky you - thanks for the invitation. > > Dear Doug, > > having not received any Economic Impact Payment from the Donald, > I have donated only 30 dollars. > Thanks so much for this precious service > all the best > ge > > Hai inviato 30,09 USD a Open Space Institute (US) > IL TUO MESSAGGIO PER Open Space Institute (US) > [image: quote] Thank you for hosting and managing the OSLIST - it's a great > service you offer to our community > > > > <https://www.loci.it/fare-il-facilitatore/iaf/facilita/facilita2019> > > Office: Via A. 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If you are not an intended recipient(s), > please notify it via e-mail [email protected] > <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/blocked::mailto:[email protected]> promptly > > > > Il giorno gio 28 gen 2021 alle ore 09:56 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList < > [email protected]> ha scritto: > > > Dear Doug, > > > > just received my Economic Impact Payment of 600$ signed by the former > > President of the USA. > > > > Well, your email came just in time to send a 100$ donation to the Open > > Space Institute-USA that they can use as they wish and I would love to > > see it go into a retirement fund of our overworked colleague in Montana. > > Here is the PayPal transfer note > > > > "Hallo Michael M Pannwitz! > > PayPal > > Sie haben eine Zahlung ?ber $100,00 USD an Open Space Institute (US) > > ([email protected]) gesendet" > > > > For those of you who forgot their highschool German: > > > > "Hello Michael M Pannwitz! > > PayPal > > You donated $ 100.00 USD to the Open Space Institute (US) > > ([email protected]) " > > > > Sending donations to OSI USA is easy, go here > > > https://osius.org/content/about > > > > scroll down a bit and look right. > > > > If 100 of us that received an Economic Impact Payment divert 100 bucks > > to OSI USA the retirement fund for Harold could snap up to 10.100,00 > > (tenthousandonehundred) in a jiffy... or for whatever the wise elders at > > OSI USA want to use it. > > > > Greetings from Berlin where I am pondering what to do with the other 500. > > Yes, I can add some to the "Revolving Credit Fund" of the Open Space > > World Map. > > In case anyone of you is not a member of the WorldMap, join (by the way, > > contributing financially to the Map is not a prerequisite for being > > listed in the Map) > > Just go here > > > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion > > > > Now, having blown the horn for the glorious OSI USA and the very fine > > World Map I expect responses galore. Now. > > > > mmp > > > > > > > > Am 28.01.2021 um 02:52 schrieb doug via OSList: > > > Hey folks, be kind. This list is managed by one overworked person > > > (Harold), and the cost to maintain it is paid by the Open Space > > > Institute-USA. They could use your help in the way of donations to pay > > > for it, so everyone can use it for free. > > > > > > :- Doug. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/27/21 8:27 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote: > > >> holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps. > > >> expect, and celebrate, apparent delays! > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> Michael Herman > > >> Michael Herman Associates > > >> 312-280-7838 (mobile) > > > > > > -- > > Michael M Pannwitz > > Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin > > ++49 - 30-772 8000 [email protected] > > > > > > In der Open Space World Map tummeln sich 159 Menschen, die in > > Deutschland, ?sterreich und der Schweiz mit dem open space Verfahren > > arbeiten. > > Weltweit sind es 510 aus 77 L?ndern, die in 142 L?ndern os verbreiten. > > Mal reinschauen: http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/ > > > > Bei Westkreuz gibts B?cher/e-B?cher, K?rtchens?tze und Sch?tze auf > > Deutsch und Englisch zu und um open space herum, auch mehrsprachige. > > https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Kommunikation > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > Past archives can be viewed here: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20210128/07f800a6/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:24:08 -0700 > From: Harold Shinsato <[email protected]> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Hi Mark, > > The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open > source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service > is provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting > service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a > great company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits. > > I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not > something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost > servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or > "when the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for > truth, but I don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially > with falsehoods. Here are the facts. > > 1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the > real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many > others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the > 1970's. TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983. > > 2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August > 2016. The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it > just minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). > which has a more modern interface. > > 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look > very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their > own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download > an app to their phones, etc. > > 4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups, > Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community > standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that > is appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we > can stay independent. > > Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for > multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting > (which I have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I > don't think you are being fair or accurate. > > ??? Harold > > On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote: > > It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform > > started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's > > catch up with a workable format.? This is in need of a major upgrade. > > Thanks for your consideration, > > Mark Carmel > > > > -- > Harold Shinsato > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://shinsato.com <https://shinsato.com> > twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20210128/64afb089/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 16:33:51 +0100 > From: "Rolf F. Katzenberger" <[email protected]> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Harold, > > Thank you for your efforts and thank you for preferring an open, > independent standard over a walled garden. > > Rolf > > -- > ?If it works, it's right.? ? ?Richtig ist, was funktioniert.? > https://pragmatic-teams.com ? https://pragmatic-teams.de > > ?Focus on People, Spaces, Time. Workshop Facilitation Reduced to the Max.? > https://hostingbrains.com > > Harold Shinsato via OSList schrieb am 28.01.21 um 16:24: > > 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to > > look very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to > > use their own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a > > website, download an app to their phones, etc. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:40:28 -0500 > From: Birgitt Williams <[email protected]> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time > Message-ID: > <CAKF340gowa7KrXxPYg22gtEJi7sah8== > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you Harold, > I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and the > independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that > supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to > those who preceded you. > > A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow > threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. Every post > gets > placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something that is > posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to see what I > may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic access what > has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years. > > in genuine contact, > Birgitt > > [image: Picture] > > > *Birgitt Williams* > *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants * > *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership > development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.* > www.dalarinternational.com > > > >> Learn More & Register > <http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of our > upcoming workshops here. > > > PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613 > Phone: 01-919-522-7750 > Like us on Facebook > < > https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f&id=6677c35b38&e=e7zyhHfiqG > > > > Connect on LinkedIn > < > https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f&id=c26173f86b&e=e7zyhHfiqG > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:24 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > > > > The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open > > source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service > is > > provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting > > service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a great > > company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits. > > > > I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not > > something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost > > servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or > "when > > the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for truth, but > I > > don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially with falsehoods. > > Here are the facts. > > > > 1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the > > real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many > > others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the 1970's. > > TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983. > > > > 2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August 2016. > > The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it just > > minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). which > has > > a more modern interface. > > > > 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look > > very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their > > own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download an > > app to their phones, etc. > > > > 4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups, > > Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community > > standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that > is > > appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we can > stay > > independent. > > > > Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for > > multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting > (which I > > have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I don't think > you > > are being fair or accurate. > > > > Harold > > > > On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote: > > > > It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform > > started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch > > up with a workable format. This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks > for > > your consideration, > > Mark Carmel > > > > > > -- > > Harold Shinsato > > [email protected] > > https://shinsato.com > > twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush> > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > Past archives can be viewed here: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20210128/7382016b/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:41:48 -0700 > From: Harold Shinsato <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it > arrives in my Mach Mail programme > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Thank you for the donation requests and the generous donations that have > come in! > > The Open Space Institute U.S. actually has a decent funding base right > now. I serve as the treasurer as well as the "webmaster", and the board > is working on a way to hold space for open space with the funds we have. > > I personally will not accept any money for my volunteer work. My rewards > from being involved with this community have been profuse, powerful and > profound. I'm grateful for the capacity to support Open Space in this > way. Even if it's not always smooth. Technology has a way of getting in > the way sometimes more often than it provides a way. Ideally, this tech > stuff would all be invisible. > > I was happy and grateful to put in the effort to migrate the OSList from > the LISTSERV platform when it stopped being free back in the spring of > 2011. It was looking like it would have cost over a $1000 US annual back > then. > > What can you, members of the OSList, do to support us? > > I'll ask that at the next board meeting, but I'll speak from my own > heart and with my own opinion. > > Think about the question Harrison Owen proposed in January of 2020 in > his morning talks to use in New York City when we could still meet in > person. This question was also the heart of the online Opening Space for > Peace and High Performance from a few days ago. > > > ?How do we engage 8 billion people in meaningful conversation?? > > Harrison thrilled us with another question a few days ago at that same > event. I will paraphrase. > * > **What are the critical questions that have no answer?* > > ??? Harold > > > ?Open Space Institute U.S. > > On 1/28/21 5:15 AM, gerardo de luzenberger via OSList wrote: > > Michael lucky you - thanks for the invitation. > > > > Dear Doug, > > > > having not received any Economic Impact Payment from the Donald, > > I have donated only 30 dollars. > > Thanks so much for this precious service > > all the best > > ge > > > > ** > > > > > > Il giorno gio 28 gen 2021 alle ore 09:56 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> ha scritto: > > > > Dear Doug, > > > > just received my Economic Impact Payment of 600$ signed by the former > > President of the USA. > > > > Well, your email came just in time to send a 100$ donation to the > > Open > > Space Institute-USA that they can use as they wish and I would > > love to > > see it go into a retirement fund of our overworked colleague in > > Montana. > > Here is the PayPal transfer note > > > > "Hallo Michael M Pannwitz! > > PayPal > > Sie haben eine Zahlung ?ber $100,00 USD an Open Space Institute (US) > > ([email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>) gesendet" > > > > > > -- > Harold Shinsato > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://shinsato.com <https://shinsato.com> > twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20210128/6c05881c/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:23:38 -0700 > From: Mark Carmel <[email protected]> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <[email protected]> > Subject: [OSList] Did anyone see what the crooked stock market did > today? They put the invisible hand of the free market enterprise > system directly in the cash register. The world is now closed > ladies > and gentlemen and to think Otherwise simply proves that fools and > their money are soon parted. > Message-ID: > < > cafdvdfhp7u4wewbka_hrvaf6l8uugh4dqn5o--udraqehzc...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20210128/a666a6d3/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > End of OSList Digest, Vol 117, Issue 32 > *************************************** > -- Anne M. 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