Thanks all for sharing your thoughts, experiences and stories, very inspiring. I too have powerful experiences of Open Space Tech meetings online since many years. And also sometimes it gives access for people who would otherwise not been able to join. A couple of months ago I coached a hospital in Norway which wanted to go online with OST (one of their employees had an OST training with Eiwor and me 15 years ago and they have been using it ever since, and it has been an important part in their transformation – an article is being written on this story currently (thanks to my collegue Doris)). 70 persons from municipalities, NGOs and hospital employees co-created input for the upcoming hospital plan. And for sure they worked energetically and created great results. Of course it is impossible to know what results a physical OST would have had apart from that not everyone of them would have been able to take part. I think the impact of an OST has more to do with HOW it is facilitated (incl prep and follow up), including all the pieces that have been mentioned in this thread, than if it is done in physical space or online. But if you cut out pieces it will not have the same impact. Such as walking the circle… 😊 With appreciation Thomas
Från: OSList <oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> För Peggy Holman via OSList Skickat: den 16 maj 2021 16:10 Till: World wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> Kopia: Peggy Holman <pe...@peggyholman.com>; Barry Owen <ba...@paretorealtyllc.com> Ämne: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3 I love this question of can an online meeting be as effective as FtF! I have two examples where it was MORE effective. One was a summit launching a collaborative. It would probably have been too expensive to meet in person with a group of 30 so this meeting wouldn’t have happened. If it had, I would have wanted two days for it. I had three hours with the group. The intent was to create a foundation and self-organize the work. They did it. New and deeper connections were formed, both expected and unexpected people took the lead as working groups coalesced around the things the sponsor hoped for and things she hadn’t thought of. They were thrilled. The second example is from an educator friend who had to move a class she’d taught for years online. Admittedly it wasn’t all classic open space (neither was the summit) but it was imbued with the spirit of open space. Not only did her students tell her that the classes were more meaningful than their other online classes, but the tangible results, as assessed by their papers, was the best she had ever received. In other words, her pedagogy, which incorporated Open Space online, produced more learning and integration of that learning than her in-person version of the class. That’s a result to study more thoroughly! Peggy Holman 206-948-0432 Sent from my iPad On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 AM, Barry Owen via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote: I love this conversation! Something I've noticed is that (Because of all the things Michael has mentioned) presence of SPIRIT seems to me to be more important when doing the "building" for an on-line meeting. I sense that it's easy for anyone to show up by clicking in "just because" because it IS now SO easy to join and to quit. I believe that creating the compelling theme that inspires passion that participants can imagine that their presence will contribute to making a difference of significance relative to this "IMPORTANT" issue. I paid $50 to attend an on-line meeting just because of my curiosity - 10 minutes into it, and I realized I had ZERO passion for the cryptic theme - I used my 2 feet thankful that I had not travelled physically. Maybe when the ripe preconditions are present (Important/Complex issue - Diversity of people - Potential for conflict - Need for resolution YESTERDAY) then any space we "build" would be appropriate . . . When the Theme is clear, the right people will come, and there's not much a facilitator or process could do to squash the passion . . . Cause, if they don't like the provided structure, they'll LEAVE and go to a place that is more conducive to their mission. On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 3:47 PM Michael Herman via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote: i like this distinction you make about holding and building, steve. i find that working online requires me to be more active than i like in "shaping" the space. i much prefer to set the chairs and be done with the shaping in a physical gathering. i completely agree that online is not the factor that would make for less impact. look at reddit and the impact some there, meeting and talking online, have had on financial markets recently, in the US, anyway. big impact! the thing that's different for me online is transactions cost. it's way easier to click in than to board an airplane or even drive across town to a meeting. and it's easier to leave. it's harder to focus. i think this dilutes passion. it's a drag for everyone. which means it's even more important to be talking about something that's REALLY important. that, to me, is the challenge. and... if that means narrowing the topic, maybe what would previously have been one big os meeting becomes a series of smaller/shorter and more focused sessions. ongoing os, even. in agile terms, i guess what i'm saying is we have to be more focused than ever on desired outcomes, over just producing the familiar outputs. -- Michael Herman Michael Herman Associates 312-280-7838 (mobile) MichaelHerman.com<http://MichaelHerman.com> OpenSpaceWorld.org<http://OpenSpaceWorld.org> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 10:38 AM Steve Holyer via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote: Thomas wrote, "I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an impact than physical open space." It’s a fair assumption I think. In my experience many online meetups of the last year—including online Open Spaces—have been just kinda m’eh. They’ve definitely lacked the impact I wanted. But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open spaces had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we’ve been learning how to create or hold space for more impact next time. I don’t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced impact. I believe, it’s the way we think about online meetups (including Open Space) that’s limiting. I still believe we’ve only scratched the surface of what is possible with online Open Space. I’m also more and more convinced that what we are learning about holding space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact for many different events online—especially when the "meeting" itself is not "open space". I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot about facilitating other events online—even when those events are not using OST to engage the outcomes. One thing about online Open Space that’s significantly different to me is that I’m not only "holding space", I’m also "building" space. In the physical open space someone has already built the physical space (and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc). As a facilitator I work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where possible) that’s open and inviting and "fits" the invitation they’re making to the open space. But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was already built. We "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I’m smiling when I say "just".) I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" that people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to building online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming emergence are keys building space for impact (like with the facilitator’s script for "opening" the circle). (This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I’m hosting a couple of free meetups on this in the next few days — 6PM for folks in Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there’s interest here I can post the links. Can also potentially add a meetup that’s more comfortable for people in timezones to the East of me—where it’s later.) On 15 May 2021, at 9:11, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote: I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone? 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