Thanks Michael, your analysis and feed-back motivates me to become more virtually active and find partners. Leaning back and being sceptical (without having virtual experience) has been my attitude for a year. Too long. I intent to "get my feet wet" and find tech-support (following Heidi's advice in Qiqo interview). Do it, reflect, share (on the list) and do it better. Wish you well -------- Original Message -------- FROM: Michael M Pannwitz [1] TO: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org [2] , van wezel [3] , gijs [4] SENT: Sat, 15 May 2021 12:14:39 +0200 SUBJECT: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3
Dear Gijs, in my active os facilitation days (until 2012) I published detailed cost estimates. Looking at this one (in German) http://www.meine-openspace-praxis.de/Dateien/18-Kosten-3Tage-130TN.pdf [5] travelling costs did not show up. That had to do with the nature of the event. It took place in Berlin, so no travel costs for me. Most participants lived and worked in Berlin. Those from outside had their travel expenses paid by their organisations or they paid for them personally. Looking at the sheet, I do see a number of items that were universal: - The omnipresent buffet (Pausenloses Pausenbüffet) and the rent for the space (Raummiete) made up about one third of the cost - The costs for the facilitation team, about one third of total cost -The remaining third went for management of the event, Material, Planning Session, Next Meeting, advertising and miscellanious items Looking at all of this it seems that real life os might cost more than virtual. After 2012 until today, I was frequently contacted for collegiate advice or counselling (no wonder because the 2385 facilitators that took part in os-trainings I was involved in had "lifelong free consulting"). So, I was honored to be in touch with the trade. One of the feedbacks I got is that an online version of a Planning Sessions for an os event is acceptable. Participants of those online Planning Sessions gave similar feedbacks that we regularly received after real life Planning Sessions, such as "never experienced a meeting as this one with such concrete outcomes in such a short time... and it was fun...". Of course, Planning Sessions in itself are not os-events... they do however produce only stuff that the participants themselves craft and cast into action. Has anyone had the chance to get feedback from participants that experienced both real life and digital os events? Especially the experience of a full fledged 3-day event real life versus online? Greetings from Berlin mmp - Am 15.05.2021 um 04:29 schrieb Mega via OSList: > Re: virtual open space facilitator > > Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators to the sponsor of the event. > It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group events and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it also reduces the (travelling) cost significantly. > > -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 mmpannw...@gmail.com [6] Links: ------ [1] mailto:mmpannw...@gmail.com [2] mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org [3] http://webmail.megainternational.com.hk/rdmail/mailto: [4] mailto:g...@megainternational.com.hk [5] http://www.meine-openspace-praxis.de/Dateien/18-Kosten-3Tage-130TN.pdf [6] mailto:mmpannw...@gmail.com
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