Thank you Chris for sharing your perspective from a Canadian in the US who is not as close to what is actually going on there.
David On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 1:27 PM Chris Corrigan via OSList < [email protected]> wrote: > > Mark: > > I have mostly been ignoring your posts around this but I have to speak out > now. > > The leaders of the protest in Ottawa who have now been arrested include > people who are open, brazen white supremacists, anti-Semites, > anti-indigenous. Their views are all over the Internet. There are multiple > far right and racist groups and leaders in this protest. There are flying > their own flags and wearing their colours. They are not hiding. They are > not just misunderstood people. They are openly promoting fascism, racism, > white supremacy, xenophobia and anti-Senitism. There is an unbelievable > amount of hate being spouted all over the place by these protestors. Most > of those who have followed them down this rabbit hole have failed to, or > just refused to, dissociate themselves from these people or their views. > There are very few people out there saying that these people don’t > represent them. Most who disagree with these views have long ago left the > protest site. > > Their objectives when they arrived in Ottawa were to sign an MOU with the > Governor-General and the unelected Senate of the country to overthrow > Parliament. They were funded by donations that came mostly from outside the > country, mostly by Americans. > > These facts are not in dispute. > > Now I strongly believe in the right to protest. I understand people who > are frustrated by public health restrictions but the idea that a group of > people who broke hundreds of laws, who occupied the capital untouched for > THREE WEEKS and set up bouncy castles and hit tubs are somehow “living in a > tyranny” is an insult to the vast numbers of humans who struggle against > oppression, genocide, and repression all over the world INCLUDING those who > are arrested and brutalized defending their own Indigenous territories here > in Canada today. > > Open space is about passion bounded by responsibility. It acknowledges > that you have the ability to create conversation and to take responsibility > for what you care about. > > And so I canno longer let these messages on this list pass by without > taking the responsibility to point out that defense of these protestors and > especially the characterization of the racists and white supremacists in > the group as a few bad apples is deeply offensive to the hundreds of people > of colour, Jews, Muslims, LGBTQ and indigenous people on this list. I beg > of you that you reflect on who you are taking to in this forum and pause > for some self-reflection. > > There is simply no place in the world to “yes but” when it comes to these > ideas. If you passionately feel that you should be allowed to hate, or > support and defend the right to promote hate, then that is you certainly > have a right. But I have a responsibility to point out the company you are > keeping and to denounce you. > > Mark, I firmly believe that you have not understood the essence of Open > Space and your misunderstanding or willful ignorance of this situation > leading conflation of what we are doing in the world as facilitators with > the hate being spouted in Ottawa is deeply offensive. > > I’m pointing this out to you and asking you to stop dragging Open Space > into this. I find your opinions inaccurate, untrustworthy, and intolerant. > There are many ways we can discuss freedom without defending fascists. But > if you insist on defending fascists I will speak up against you and defend > the dignity and rights of humans to live free from hate. I am anti-fascist > and anti-racist and I won’t let these ideas stand unchallenged. > > Chris. > > > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 10:05 AM Glenn Waters via OSList < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Enough of the nazi crap, please. I can't answer if you've misunderstood >> something but let me share some facts about what is going on. >> >> In general this is a peaceful group of people. There are however a number >> of people attending that are not peaceful. They harass, assault (physically >> and verbally), and torment people who live in this area. >> >> A large portion of the downtown is closed because it has been taken over. >> This is having real affect on those businesses that are already hanging on >> by their fingernails to stay in business. >> >> For the residents living in this area the only two nearby grocery stores >> have closed because they fear for the safety of their staff. Many other >> stores and restaurants are closed for safety reasons. >> >> Nazi flags have been flown, as have other symbols that are commonly >> associated with hate and supremacy. >> >> Well documented leaders of white supremacists groups are attending. This >> does appear to be the minority, but I don't have data. Some have been >> arrested in the last few days. >> >> Shifting to opinion. >> >> I don't think of what is happening a few kilometres from my home as a >> protest anymore. It is an occupation that is taking away from the freedoms >> of those who choose to live and work in Ottawa. >> >> The occupiers assets are not being seized. They are being frozen. As this >> is an occupation I am perfectly fine that. >> >> The occupiers are incoherent. When asked about their demands it ranges >> from "Freedom." to "We want to take over the government." There is little >> substantiation behind any of the remarks. Most engagements with the >> occupiers does not result in any understanding of what they actually want. >> My understanding is that the original premise of the protests was around >> don't force us to be vaccinated, wear masks, or have to have/show a vaccine >> passport. >> >> I say go ahead and protest. That is your right and I believe in and >> support those rights. Occupation is not on. >> >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022, at 11:56, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote: >> >> I have tried my best to bite my lip Regarding the dude's comment that all >> of the truckers must be white supremest nazi types ... What a ridiculous >> belief... that's being fed by the fake news that paints every Person >> protesting for Freedom as a white supremest. Yeah, Total BS.... We are >> open space technology facilitators we believe in freedom ... right? Or have >> I misunderstood something? And what did Canada decide to do? They decided >> to go and seize the bank accounts and the crypto wallets of the >> protesters.. Now what sounds more like nazi tactics, protesting for >> freedom or seizing people's bank accounts without a trial? >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> Past archives can be viewed here: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> Past archives can be viewed here: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > -- > --- > CHRIS CORRIGAN > Blog and resources: http://www.chriscorrigan.com > Harvest Moon Consultants: https://www.harvestmoonconsultants.com > > Located on Nex̱wlélex̱wm (Bowen Island), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh territory, > > > > -- > --- > CHRIS CORRIGAN > Blog and resources: http://www.chriscorrigan.com > Harvest Moon Consultants: https://www.harvestmoonconsultants.com > > Located on Nex̱wlélex̱wm (Bowen Island), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh territory, > > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
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