And I find myself dreaming of a Zoom Breakout Room arrangement where I could pop Mr Carmel into his own room where he has the freedom to talk about his perspective and I would tell everyone that if they want to join him, I will pop them in there too. :-)
warm wishes to all Amanda Amanda Bucklow Independent Commercial Mediator http://AmandaBucklow.co.uk +44 7976 924995 linkedin.com/in/amanda-bucklow This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy. > On 19 Feb 2022, at 18:39, Romy Shovelton via OSList > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I find this whole thread of hate that has emanated from your words on this > OSLIST Mark, DEEPLY upsetting and so antithetical to all that the OS > community holds dear and practices in life. Can we please end this now. It > has no place here. Please express your thoughts elsewhere if you need to. > > Thank you > > Romy > >> On 19 Feb 2022, at 18:27, Chris Corrigan via OSList >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> >> Mark: >> >> I have mostly been ignoring your posts around this but I have to speak out >> now. >> >> The leaders of the protest in Ottawa who have now been arrested include >> people who are open, brazen white supremacists, anti-Semites, >> anti-indigenous. Their views are all over the Internet. There are multiple >> far right and racist groups and leaders in this protest. There are flying >> their own flags and wearing their colours. They are not hiding. They are not >> just misunderstood people. They are openly promoting fascism, racism, white >> supremacy, xenophobia and anti-Senitism. There is an unbelievable amount of >> hate being spouted all over the place by these protestors. Most of those >> who have followed them down this rabbit hole have failed to, or just refused >> to, dissociate themselves from these people or their views. There are very >> few people out there saying that these people don’t represent them. Most who >> disagree with these views have long ago left the protest site. >> >> Their objectives when they arrived in Ottawa were to sign an MOU with the >> Governor-General and the unelected Senate of the country to overthrow >> Parliament. They were funded by donations that came mostly from outside the >> country, mostly by Americans. >> >> These facts are not in dispute. >> >> Now I strongly believe in the right to protest. I understand people who are >> frustrated by public health restrictions but the idea that a group of people >> who broke hundreds of laws, who occupied the capital untouched for THREE >> WEEKS and set up bouncy castles and hit tubs are somehow “living in a >> tyranny” is an insult to the vast numbers of humans who struggle against >> oppression, genocide, and repression all over the world INCLUDING those who >> are arrested and brutalized defending their own Indigenous territories here >> in Canada today. >> >> Open space is about passion bounded by responsibility. It acknowledges that >> you have the ability to create conversation and to take responsibility for >> what you care about. >> >> And so I canno longer let these messages on this list pass by without taking >> the responsibility to point out that defense of these protestors and >> especially the characterization of the racists and white supremacists in the >> group as a few bad apples is deeply offensive to the hundreds of people of >> colour, Jews, Muslims, LGBTQ and indigenous people on this list. I beg of >> you that you reflect on who you are taking to in this forum and pause for >> some self-reflection. >> >> There is simply no place in the world to “yes but” when it comes to these >> ideas. If you passionately feel that you should be allowed to hate, or >> support and defend the right to promote hate, then that is you certainly >> have a right. But I have a responsibility to point out the company you are >> keeping and to denounce you. >> >> Mark, I firmly believe that you have not understood the essence of Open >> Space and your misunderstanding or willful ignorance of this situation >> leading conflation of what we are doing in the world as facilitators with >> the hate being spouted in Ottawa is deeply offensive. >> >> I’m pointing this out to you and asking you to stop dragging Open Space into >> this. I find your opinions inaccurate, untrustworthy, and intolerant. There >> are many ways we can discuss freedom without defending fascists. But if you >> insist on defending fascists I will speak up against you and defend the >> dignity and rights of humans to live free from hate. I am anti-fascist and >> anti-racist and I won’t let these ideas stand unchallenged. >> >> Chris. >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 10:05 AM Glenn Waters via OSList >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> Enough of the nazi crap, please. I can't answer if you've misunderstood >> something but let me share some facts about what is going on. >> >> In general this is a peaceful group of people. There are however a number of >> people attending that are not peaceful. They harass, assault (physically and >> verbally), and torment people who live in this area. >> >> A large portion of the downtown is closed because it has been taken over. >> This is having real affect on those businesses that are already hanging on >> by their fingernails to stay in business. >> >> For the residents living in this area the only two nearby grocery stores >> have closed because they fear for the safety of their staff. Many other >> stores and restaurants are closed for safety reasons. >> >> Nazi flags have been flown, as have other symbols that are commonly >> associated with hate and supremacy. >> >> Well documented leaders of white supremacists groups are attending. This >> does appear to be the minority, but I don't have data. Some have been >> arrested in the last few days. >> >> Shifting to opinion. >> >> I don't think of what is happening a few kilometres from my home as a >> protest anymore. It is an occupation that is taking away from the freedoms >> of those who choose to live and work in Ottawa. >> >> The occupiers assets are not being seized. They are being frozen. As this is >> an occupation I am perfectly fine that. >> >> The occupiers are incoherent. When asked about their demands it ranges from >> "Freedom." to "We want to take over the government." There is little >> substantiation behind any of the remarks. Most engagements with the >> occupiers does not result in any understanding of what they actually want. >> My understanding is that the original premise of the protests was around >> don't force us to be vaccinated, wear masks, or have to have/show a vaccine >> passport. >> >> I say go ahead and protest. That is your right and I believe in and support >> those rights. Occupation is not on. >> >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022, at 11:56, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote: >>> I have tried my best to bite my lip Regarding the dude's comment that all >>> of the truckers must be white supremest nazi types ... What a ridiculous >>> belief... that's being fed by the fake news that paints every Person >>> protesting for Freedom as a white supremest. Yeah, Total BS.... We are >>> open space technology facilitators we believe in freedom ... right? Or have >>> I misunderstood something? And what did Canada decide to do? They decided >>> to go and seize the bank accounts and the crypto wallets of the >>> protesters.. 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