On Dec 12, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Jared Earle wrote: > Isn't it what happened in Afghanistan?The US funded the > destabilization and walked away?
I assume you're referring to what the US did in arming the resistance to the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan. There continues to be a strain of thought in the US that goes like this, "We gave you your FREEDOM; be demonstrably grateful for it. What? You want real democracy, and economic opportunity? (we won't even talk about econmic democracy!) You ungrateful savages; you should really get back in your place and don't come back to us until you're grateful for what we did for you." Forty acres and a mule. The Philippines, Cuba, most any country in Central America and some in South America. As for necessary interventions... For the life of me, I can not figure out why there are US troops in Kosovo, but not in Darfur. > > > -- > Jared Earle :: iPhone-at-23x-dot-net > http://jearle.eu/ :: http://blog.23x.net > > On 12 Dec 2008, at 16:58, Chris Gehlker <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Milo Velimirovic wrote: >> >>> >>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Chris Gehlker wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 6:05 AM, Stefano Mori wrote: >>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> Still, old Saddam might have just choked on a date one day and >>>>> dropped >>>>> dead. Then who'd be to blame? (for the ensuing tribal warfare?) >>>> >>>> Isn't that essentially what happened in Yugoslavia when Josip Tito >>>> died? Didn't the whole Western world feel some responsibility to >>>> stop >>>> the violence and genocide? >>> >>> Not really. Josip Broz Titio died in May 1980, fully a decade before >>> the 'govno' hit the fan in the Balkans. It took years for Slobodan >>> Milošević of Serbia, Franjo Tudjman of Croatiato stir up latent >>> nationalism to the point where it turned into warfare. It didn't >>> have >>> to happen that way. Once the dissolution of Yugoslavia occurred in >>> '91 >>> it was obvious to anyone familiar with the region what could, and >>> eventually did happen. The tragedy is that it took so long for NATO >>> and the UN to do anything beyond hand wringing. >> >> Point taken. Still there seems to be a continuum running from >> 'nations >> have an obligation to intervene whenever they can prevent violence >> and >> genocide' through 'nations have an obligation to prevent violence and >> genocide in their conquests' to 'nations should never intervene in >> the >> internal affairs of other countries'. >> >> Then there is the Rudy Giuliani view that 'Iraqis have an obligation >> to constantly express gratitude to the US for the "gift of freedom". >> Any undesirable consequences of said gift are solely the fault of the >> Iraqis.' >> >> >> --- >> Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely >> or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear. >> >> -Bertrand Russell, philosopher, mathematician, author, Nobel laureate >> (1872-1970) >> >> -- Milo Velimirović La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA 43 48 48 N 91 13 53 W -- [Ketchup]'s like edible duct tape for toddlers. _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
