On 2009-Jan-01, at 00:51, Kevin Callahan wrote:

> If the boat entered Israeli controlled waters and appeared to be a
> threat, that would be one thing -
> but if the boat was attacked in international waters, that's another.


 From a little googling, I gather the point of McKinney's  
"international waters" statement is this:

Israel has a BLOCKADE around Gaza, ie. Gaza does not control its own  
territorial waters.

Hence Gaza is still under siege, is occupied, is oppressed.

The activists' ship knows there is a blockade, and deliberately tries  
to break it to highlight its existence.

Well they have succeeded in that aim. I for one didn't know there was  
a blockade. But I'm not surprised either.

When Apartheid was founded, coincidentally in 1948 along with Israel,  
mini-sub countries were created inside South Africa. But these  
townships were in no way real countries, just like Palestine is in no  
way a real country. So arguing that Gaza doesn't control its own  
waters is a sub-issue.... Palestine doesn't control its own destiny  
anyway. SO WHAT'S THEIR POINT?

And Palestine will never get to control its own destiny so long as a  
number of its people and leaders stick to their code of honor that  
says that REVENGE against Israel is their one purpose in life. Even if  
that's revenge in the form of little pathetic rockets. I guess they  
hope that they can get things to escalate. Personally I think Israel  
should never have been created there, and when the early migrants were  
getting attacked, they should have taken a hint and pissed off, but  
now that Israel has been established as a strong institution, people,  
and economy, it is simply a matter of conquest and whomever has the  
bigger brains and the biggest balls will win. One of the tactics in  
this conflict is to play victim. The Palestinians are not victims. To  
call them victims insults their honor.


Stefano

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