On Jan 1, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Stefano Mori wrote: > > > I think we can identify with and feel for any people who, whilst > living their lives, with their cultural identity and customs, and > their own social structures, one day find their way of life being > disrupted and changed by foreign migrants. Old ladies in the UK today > are aghast at what has happened to Britain... to the British way of > life. However, whilst here the migrants arrive with lower socio- > economic status, in Palestine, the invaders were more powerful, and > took over. > > Whilst the powerful oppress the weak, and make us feel for the > injustices that brings, the powerful are often more powerful because > they are more advanced in some way, or a number of ways. So from an > evolutionary perspective (broadly speaking) oppression is part of the > chaotic and violent progress of humanity. Different peoples come > together, and compete, and kick the s*** out of each other. And may > the best man win. > > You ask who would be next? Well the entire Middle East can fear who > would be next. The Jews turned up, in their thousands but to be sure a > minority, and built a modern nation state. Just like that. OK, so they > had connections. But that's part of their skill in the modern world.
Well this is not 100% accurate. They were given a state out of guilt and for other reasons. If you go back to Balfour it's initial statement was to establish a jewish state. The local regional powers never really agreed to it and it was forced on them. So the whole history of the situation is bad. It would be akin to in the 80s taking the area around london and declaring an irish state taking half of london and some other land. This being done without the consent of the locals. Or say taking half of miami and giving it to Castro. > > Meanwhile the Arab world is still struggling with the concept of > anything bigger than a clan. Well if the Arabs don't build their own > nation states, they may find that one day someone else will. It may > come about purely accidentally, as the world gets smaller, and more > migration and travel and multinational companies mix up the local > identity. But that's the direction, the arrow of time goes forward. > I think this is a bad generalization. The UAE can't be classed that way. And Quatar and Bahrain have moved well away from a tribal system. You also have to look at the history of interference in the area from Western powers to understand the current state of things. The collapse of the Ottoman Empire did a lot of damage in the region. > Yes many Palestinians die bathed in the blood of their enemies. Or > maybe their enemies are flying a drone and drop a bomb from great > heights, as I saw on the news yesterday. Five guys getting ready to > fire rockets, their silhouettes imaged on the TV screen through the > infra-red eye of the drone. Then a white flash. > > The Palestinians are trying to protect their land and their identity. > But they are also resisting the modern world. And that's a fight they > will never win. It is tragic beyond words. > Are they really resisting the modern world? How much of it has been destruction of modern infrastructure of theirs and an attempt to isolate them. In your past examples there has been an attempt to assimilate and destroy the old culture. There is no assimilation attempt here just attempted destruction from what I can see. Both sides hate each other for all sorts of reasons. Going back to first causes is generally a foolish and circular though. --Larry _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
