On Feb 10, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Chris Gehlker wrote: > On Feb 10, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Stefano Mori wrote: > >> Maybe it's comparing apples and oranges, but who here today would >> accept that the fire brigade won't save your home unless you are a >> paid up member? > > Obviously you don't live in quasi rural Arizona. They still have > private fire fighting companies there.
Or Somila or any number of poor areas in the world. The very idea that we can talk of health care as a right is unique to countries that can actually afford the luxury of social services. I usually argue that it is not actually a right, but a decision by society to provide a service. The difference, in my definition of a right, is that actual rights incur only negative obligations. (These rights exists inside the social contract only. A lion will not recognize your right to life, nor many of the two legged predators. They give up the protections of the contract in order to live outside the contract. That's why we can hunt them down and kill them if needed. Without violating the right to life..) right to life.. All I have to do is to not kill you. liberty. I just don't enslave you. right to free speech. I just leave you alone. right to free use of property. I just stay on my side of the fence. All of them require that I merely do nothing against you. Health Care? How does that work exactly. You make a claim on my production to give you something that you personally can't afford? By what "right" do you make this claim? If I have a right to housing, the I want to live at the Kennedy compound. If I have a right to health care then I want the level of care that Teddy is getting. If we followed Dashel's book, Teddy would be declare too old to deserve any experimental treatments since the "cost benefit" would not be there. But I guess some are more equal than others, eh comrades? We can choose, as a society, to provide that service, for now, and for as long as we can afford it, but I argue that it is not a right in any real sense You (society) cannot actually FORCE me to produce anything. These, so called, rights depend on the willing participation of the producer. If I refuse to work, you simply cannot obtain whatever it is that you would declare to be a right without enslaving me. Therefore, it is not actually a right. Chuck _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
