Hello Chis, Ron and others: Thanks for the stimulating discussion,
which  is really an already articulated issue discussed years ago by
Grey, Wilcock, and others., the occupation as end versus occupation as
mean argument. 

 My own belief is that just because an OT does something
does not make it 'occupational therapy'.  Further, the basis of a true
profession is that it is theory driven and in a constant  reflective
state to assess what is current best knowledge.  Educational programs
change to reflect current best practice for entry level.  If you look
back over the history of the profession, we have again and again added
content and dropped content to meet the continual challenge of staying
current.  

Our biggest mistake in my opinion was losing our connection
to the fundamental philosophy  of occupation as means  during the 70's
thru the early 90's. Most of us practicing with 15-20 years experience
are the victims of the over emphasis on the medical model which held up
the occupation as end argument,  at the expense of occupation
as the means of the profession. We got away with it because at the time
no one else was explicitly concerned with overall function like we
were.  However, when things tightened up and everyone became concerned
with function, we started losing ground because we cannot complete on
fixing parts, even if the justification behind it it that the client
will in the   end  be able to engage in occupation. 

The goal today is
to graduate therapists grounded in occupation who can also work with
body structures and functions  to facilitate engagement in
occupation,not just isolated occupational performance. 

Below
is a reference list from  a doctoral course paper  I wrote about  about
this subject--older but still very interesting articles.


                Terrianne Jones, MA, OTR/L
Faculty 
University of Minnesota
Program in Occupational Therapy



 Fischer, (1998). Uniting practice and theory in an occupational framework. In 
R. Padilla      Ed.),  A professional legacy: the Eleanor Clark Slagle Lectures 
in occupational      therapy, 1955-2004 (2nd ed., pp. 554-575). Bethesda, MD: 
AOTA press. Friedland, J. (1998). Occupational therapy and rehabilitation: an 
awkward     alliance. In R. P. Cottrell (Ed.), Perspectives on purposeful 
activity:     foundation and future of occupational therapy (2nd ed., pp. 
69-75).     Bethesda, MD: AOTA press. Gutman, S. (1998). The domain of 
function: Who’s got it? Who’s competing for it? In    R.P. Cottrell (Ed.), 
Perspectives for occupation based practice (2nd ed., pp. 555-     560). 
Bethesda MD: AOTA press.   

Meyer, A.
(1920). The philosophy of occupational therapy. In RP Cottrell (Ed.), 
Perspectives
for occupation based practice (2nd ed., pp. 25-28). Bethesda MD:
AOTA press.  

 Nelson, D. (1997).  Why the profession of occupational therapy will flourish 
in the 21st      century. In R. P. Cottrell (Ed.),  Perspectives for 
occupation-based practice (2nd ed,      pp. 113-126). Bethesda, MD: AOTA 
Press. Peloquin, S. (1991). Occupational therapy service: individual and      
collective understandings of the founders. American Journal of Occupational     
Therapy, 45, 33-744. 

Reilly, M.
(1962).  Occupational therapy can be one
of the great ideas of 20th century medicine. In RP Cottrell (Ed.), Perspectives
for occupation based practice (2nd ed.pp. 77-84). Bethesda MD:
AOTA press.  

 

Trombly, C.
(1995). Occupation: purposefulness and meaningfullness as therapeutic
mechanisms.  In RP Cottrell (Ed.), Perspectives
for occupation based practice (2nd ed., pp. 159-171). Bethesda MD:
AOTA press.

 

West, W.
(1984).  A reaffirmed philosophy and
practice of occupational therapy for the 1980’s.  The American Journal of 
Occupational
Therapy, 38, 15-23.

  

Wilcock,
A.  (1998). An occupational perspective
of health. Thorofare: Slack Incorporated. 


 

Yerxa, E.
(1991). Seeking a relevant, ethical and realistic way of knowing for
occupational therapy. The American Journal of Occupational Therapy 45,
19 





Gray, J. (1998). Putting occupation into practice: occupation as ends, 
occupation as      means. In  R.P. Cottrell (Ed.), Perspectives for occupation 
based practice (2nd ed.,      pp. 149-158).Bethesda MD: AOTA press.   Gutman, 
S. (1998). The domain of function: Who’s got it? Who’s competing for it? In    
R.P. Cottrell (Ed.), Perspectives for occupation based practice (2nd ed., pp. 
555-     560). Bethesda MD: AOTA press.   

Howard, S.
(1991)  How high do we jump? The effect
of reimbursement on occupational     

     therapy. In  R.P. Cottrell (Ed.), Perspectives for occupation based 
practice (2nd      ed., pp. 519-526). Bethesda MD: AOTA press.   




 
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 7:48 PM

Who says we are practicing PT, and not OT?.? My credentials states OTR/L so
therefore it is OT.? I don't know about you, but taking ROM measurements and
treating the UE was taught in the OT education in which I went to school.? How
do you comment on the OT guide to practice and our practice acts?? In my opinion
it is dangerous to be that?narrow in our definition in what we do as OTs.? I
certainly understand and respect your opinions, because they do make sense on
paper, but when actually practicing we do have to address body
functions/structures at times to help the patient make further progress.? I
noticed a post that you made?in the AOTA listserve under the physical section.?
In it you were giving advise about an individual with guillen barre (spelling?),
and you of course talked about ADL performance, but then you gave an example of
practicing sit to stands and unilateral reaching without being in the context of
an ADL.? Isn't this the same as helping a patient with their arm functions
through ther ex to facilitate a positive outcome with functional reaching??
Thanks again for the great discussion.
Chris Nahrwold MS, OTR
St. John's Hospital 
Anderson, Indiana


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: L Sloan <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 6:09 am
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Elbow Break, Referral...



If  the  goal  is  increased  ROM  or  decreased pain, why include the
"functional"  component?  It  seems obvious to me that if ROM/pain
are
the  ONLY  things  preventing  the  patient from doing self-care, then
positively  impacting  these area will directly improve self-care. So,
why even include the the "function".

If  the  goal  is  occupation,  then  I see no reason for the ROM/pain
component. As and OT, I strongly believe that occupation should be the
goal,  but occupation is not always the goal of the patient or MD. And
it's  these situations where OT is out on a limb, because we are truly
practicing OT, but PT.

Ron
--
Ron Carson MHS, OT

----- Original Message -----
From: L Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008
To:   [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subj: [OTlist] Elbow Break, Referral...

LS> How About....
LS> Patient will demonstrate increased active range of motion to ____
LS> during upper and lower body dressing activities.....or...
LS> Patient will demonstrate increased AROM to ___ to allow patient
LS> to complete upper and lower body selfcare activities safely...
LS> Patient will demonstrate a decrease in pain from ___ to ___ to
LS> enable her to complete her dressing activities.
LS> ??? Lisa



LS> ----- Original Message ----
LS> From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
LS> To: OTlist <[email protected]>
LS> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:48:47 PM
LS> Subject: [OTlist] Elbow Break, Referral...

LS> Received? a? new referral for a elbow fracture. I shouldn't have
taken
LS> it but I did.

LS> And? here? is? the? dilemma? facing our profession. The patient is 95,
LS> previously living independently. Fractured elbow in a fall. Now living
LS> with? daughter.? She? is? in a large amount of pain. Obviously, she is
LS> dependent? for? most of her occupations. She currently uses a cane but
LS> is not safe.

LS> The? patient's? immediate concerns are her elbow. When pressed, she
of
LS> course wants to go back home, but that is not an immediate goal.

LS> So what do I write for goal
s? For example should I write:

LS> ? ? ? ? Patient will self-report pain as 3 out of 10

LS> ? ? ? ? Patient's will increase active elbow extension to -20
degrees


LS> These? goals seem to direct the patients and doctor's concerns but
are
LS> not occupationally oriented. So, should I write:


LS> ? ? ? ? Patient will safely and independently dress lower body

LS> ? ? ? ? Patient? will safely and independently ambulate to the bathroom
LS> ? ? ? ? using the least restrictive mobility aid

LS> I like these goals but they don't address the immediate concerns.

LS> Ron
LS> -- 
LS> Ron Carson MHS, OT


LS> -- 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Elbow Break, Referral...
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 7:48 PM

Who says we are practicing PT, and not OT?.? My credentials states OTR/L so
therefore it is OT.? I don't know about you, but taking ROM measurements and
treating the UE was taught in the OT education in which I went to school.? How
do you comment on the OT guide to practice and our practice acts?? In my opinion
it is dangerous to be that?narrow in our definition in what we do as OTs.? I
certainly understand and respect your opinions, because they do make sense on
paper, but when actually practicing we do have to address body
functions/structures at times to help the patient make further progress.? I
noticed a post that you made?in the AOTA listserve under the physical section.?
In it you were giving advise about an individual with guillen barre (spelling?),
and you of course talked about ADL performance, but then you gave an example of
practicing sit to stands and unilateral reaching without being in the context of
an ADL.? Isn't this the same as helping a patient with their arm functions
through ther ex to facilitate a positive outcome with functional reaching??
Thanks again for the great discussion.
Chris Nahrwold MS, OTR
St. John's Hospital 
Anderson, Indiana


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: L Sloan <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 6:09 am
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Elbow Break, Referral...



If  the  goal  is  increased  ROM  or  decreased pain, why include the
"functional"  component?  It  seems obvious to me that if ROM/pain
are
the  ONLY  things  preventing  the  patient from doing self-care, then
positively  impacting  these area will directly improve self-care. So,
why even include the the "function".

If  the  goal  is  occupation,  then  I see no reason for the ROM/pain
component. As and OT, I strongly believe that occupation should be the
goal,  but occupation is not always the goal of the patient or MD. And
it's  these situations where OT is out on a limb, because we are truly
practicing OT, but PT.

Ron
--
Ron Carson MHS, OT

----- Original Message -----
From: L Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008
To:   [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subj: [OTlist] Elbow Break, Referral...

LS> How About....
LS> Patient will demonstrate increased active range of motion to ____
LS> during upper and lower body dressing activities.....or...
LS> Patient will demonstrate increased AROM to ___ to allow patient
LS> to complete upper and lower body selfcare activities safely...
LS> Patient will demonstrate a decrease in pain from ___ to ___ to
LS> enable her to complete her dressing activities.
LS> ??? Lisa



LS> ----- Original Message ----
LS> From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
LS> To: OTlist <[email protected]>
LS> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:48:47 PM
LS> Subject: [OTlist] Elbow Break, Referral...

LS> Received? a? new referral for a elbow fracture. I shouldn't have
taken
LS> it but I did.

LS> And? here? is? the? dilemma? facing our profession. The patient is 95,
LS> previously living independently. Fractured elbow in a fall. Now living
LS> with? daughter.? She? is? in a large amount of pain. Obviously, she is
LS> dependent? for? most of her occupations. She currently uses a cane but
LS> is not safe.

LS> The? patient's? immediate concerns are her elbow. When pressed, she
of
LS> course wants to go back home, but that is not an immediate goal.

LS> So what do I write for goal
s? For example should I write:

LS> ? ? ? ? Patient will self-report pain as 3 out of 10

LS> ? ? ? ? Patient's will increase active elbow extension to -20
degrees


LS> These? goals seem to direct the patients and doctor's concerns but
are
LS> not occupationally oriented. So, should I write:


LS> ? ? ? ? Patient will safely and independently dress lower body

LS> ? ? ? ? Patient? will safely and independently ambulate to the bathroom
LS> ? ? ? ? using the least restrictive mobility aid

LS> I like these goals but they don't address the immediate concerns.

LS> Ron
LS> -- 
LS> Ron Carson MHS, OT


LS> -- 
LS> Options?
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LS> Archive?
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