You have hit the proverbial nail on the head there Ron ... "EVERY profession faces challenges" Where ever you go, there are people who love their jobs - and have that "passion" for the profession. Then there are those that come in, get through the day to pick up the check at the end of the week. Sadly enough, there seem to be too many of those!

I have worked in/out of a SNF for the past 10 years and intervention is usually dependent on the "level" of the patient. Productivity can be tough at times, but when I can, I try to get a couple of high level folks that can maybe mix a batch of cookies or an easy recipe - even just a box of instant pudding that can be done "the old fashioned way" with a hand mixer that has the turning handle on the side (can be found at most Target stores) or a whisk. This can be done in standing to address endurance, balance, strength and coordination. Sometimes you can try to "piggyback" 2 pts for the time - then get your next 2 to complete the project, or decorate the cookies. I love the holidays - we just finished a gingerbread house that took all week to complete that had at least 4 of my ladies working on it (sorting candies, cutting sugar drops...) while others may be making simple beaded candy canes that are easily strung onto pipe cleaners then hung on the tree(dynamic standing balance! ). Paper cut out snowflakes also a great one that many enjoy (remember those?) Also has that dynamic standing to tape onto a window! . Once you get the productivity started, you can get some time that you need for the more challenging or one- on-one patients. I also do 1 or 2 showers a week with each of my patients and to work in the rooms, grading the ADL anywhere from max or I with set- up. Hopefully, by the time they are DC'd, they are making the bed and cleaning the trash out of the can in their rooms.

And for the students that are out there, try to gleam as much as possible from the therapists that you see out there that are making the differences in their patients lives -



On Dec 5, 2008, at 5:43 AM, Ron Carson wrote:

Dawson, thanks for your comments.

The OTlist has been around for a long time. One thing is for sure, the
nature  of the discussions, the tone of the topics and the passion for
change is not for everyone.

You  said you joined the list to:

        ...read  what  practicing  OTs  are  talking about, up to, and
        perhaps   even   learn   something;  possibly  even  get  some
        encouragement for the big step I am about to take.

You  ARE reading about what practicing OT's are talking about, you ARE
learning  something.  And,  while you may not be encouraged by some of
the topics, these issues are real world.

EVERY  profession  faces challenges and in my opinion OT needs to have
members  who  voice  their opinion and are willing to take a stand. In
fact,  your  message  says  to  me  that you are one of these types of
people!!!

Ron
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008
To:   [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subj: [OTlist] Arrgh! SNF OTs on the hot seat!

D> Welcome Barb,

D> so it has been very painful to read the extremely judgemental discussion
about "bad" treatment


D> I have to agree with you, I find this painful on a weekly basis


please don't let mine or anyone else's negativity adversely affect what
 you  do


D> It's very difficult sometimes not to.

D> As someone who is about to start their BSC (Hons) in OT, I originally D> thought it would be a good idea to join the list and read what practicing D> OTs are talking about, up to, and perhaps even learn something; possibly D> even get some encouragement for the big step I am about to take. This is not D> the case, in fact, I couldn't feel less encouraged or more negative about
D> the how occupation now if I tried.

D> Dawson

D> 2008/12/4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I am a recently recertified COTA who has just started a new position
working in an SNF. My prior experience was PRIOR to PPS. Whew! What a change! I whole-heartedly agree with Brent's post. I am trying my best to provide skilled treatment, but PPS and productivity standards set by the for-profit sector make that difficult. I joined this list to get more ideas about functional/meaningful activities to do with my patients, so it has been very painful to read the extremely judgemental discussion about "bad" treatment! I already feel uncomfortable with some of the choices I have to make each day. I am hoping that as I learn to juggle better, I will be able to provide a higher percentage of meaningful tx. So I would appreciate any and all concrete suggestions from those who work in a similar environment,
and less of the judgement based on uninformed assumptions.
Thank you.
Barb Howard
Grand Rapids, MI

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Brent,
I believe the criticism originally came from Ron in regards to a
therapist in a
rehab hospital.? We?can all be?guilty of poor rehab at times no matter
what
practice setting.? I responded to warn people of potential fraud that
therapists
might be committing and not even realizing it.

Chris Nahrwold MS, OTR


-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Cheyne
To: Ron Carson
Sent: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Arrgh! SNF OTs on the hot seat!



??? Some further thoughts on OT?practice in the?SNF. However critical and disappointed some of us who don't work in SNF feel about the pracitices
of those
who do, keep in mind that each practice setting has its own unique
challenges
and limitations.
??? The PPS system has the RUG system where the highest reinbursment is
for
those patient who participate in as much as 360 minutes of OT a week..
That's? 6
days of 60 minute sessions, so if a person stays for a month they receive
24
hours (?1440 minutes) of OT in a month. And this process is multiplied
got?each
OT practitioner?by a caseload (lets say for average) 7 patients per
day.?Each
minute of each session is structured and guided by the therapist while navigating a complex system of all the other therapies, nursing care, and
scheduling taking place?within the facility.
??? This means there is a lot of therapy? being provided and?therefore a
lot of
designing and implementing and documenting interventions. Making every?
minute
of every session wonderful, meaningful, enjoyable, and occupational is
quite a
challenge. I venture to predict that rehab professional in SNF spend more
time
with their clients than any other professionals in the whole healthcare
system!
Other posts on this list have also observed that the SNF rehab client is
not
always the most motivated of clients either and clients are often unable
to
identify meaningful occupations on which to base treatments.
???? Due to reasons explained previously in my other recent post, and the factors above, some patients might have incidences of "bad OT".? Given
the shear
abount of time spent in treatment, the odds of having some
non-meaningful?or bad
experiences are? pretty high.
???? I think any of us can identify unsatisfactory experiences with
healthcare
and other professionals on occasion. I personally have had?occasional frustration and disappointment?at the dentist, doctor, optometrist, or
even with
the waiter at a restaurant. I think on average there are a lot of hard
working
OTs
in SNF doing a great job! Of course we always hear about the worst and
best
therapy experiences that people have.
? While all the criticism, judgement and discussion ongoing in the OT
community
may be necessary to encourage us to focus on occupation, there is no
shortage of
equal scrutiny by our administrations and regulators who have there own
definition of what expected and required of OTs. Keeping everyone
satisfied in
no easy task and I think "bad OT "is more a function of being overwhelmed
than
being lazy. Let us find a way to support and encourage eachother!
Brent C



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