Am anything but insulted. I appreciate that you are seeking information.
I  will  ask  that  other  list  members  also add their 2 cents to this
discussion. Now, to answer your question.

Yes,  I  do work in home health. I previously worked in acute care rehab
and   loved   the   patient   population   but  hated  the  productivity
requirements.

I  was  a  new  therapist  then  and  my  approach to treatment is a lot
different  today. I think if I was working in rehab my approach would be
as follows:

        Help  the  patient  identify  their occupational goals, identify
        what's  impairing  those  goals,  treat  those  areas  that  are
        treatable and that I'm trained to treat.

In  some  ways,  working  with  a patient 2 days post stroke can be very
similar  to  working  with  a  patient  2 months post stroke. Sure, some
things  will  be different and you may have a very low level patient who
is  unable  to  verbalize goals. Of course, I also have patients who are
that way.

More  than anything else, almost every patient you have is going to want
to  stand  and/or  walk. They will want to stand to get and put on their
clothes.  They  want to stand to go to the bathroom and shower. So, work
on these goals by starting with the lowest common denominator.

Ron

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Ron Carson MHS, OT
www.OTnow.com



----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara H. Hale <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009
To:   [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subj: [OTlist] Back to basics?

BHH> Hi - I hope you are not insulted by my questions. I would like to 
understand
BHH> more fully your treatment concept for a patient that is not independent in
BHH> toileting. Is your setting usually in the pts home? Do you ask the pt to
BHH> take a dry run into the toilet? Do you ask the pt if they need to actually
BHH> use the bathroom?  Do you simulate any activities? I do not think that you
BHH> are asking the pts to undress each time you enter their home.

BHH> In my setting, acute rehab, what type of initial suggestion would you make
BHH> to a pt a few days post CVA or Hip Fx? Lets get up and sit on the BSC? Lets
BHH> get up and get into the wheelchair so we can go to the tx gym? All my 
BHH> sessions are not first thing in the AM when it really would make sense to 
do
BHH> concrete care such as toileting. CNA's and Rehab Techs are often the 
initial
BHH> contact for the day and will have already assisted the pt with their 
BHH> toileting. It is not considered OT when that other staff member assists 
BHH> them, and the other staff may do more for them without asking them to 
BHH> participate. I often feel that I should be training the staff for more 
BHH> opportunities using the skills that will be taught in tx. but that is not
BHH> billable tx time.

BHH> Asking a CNA for input in the level of assist needed for toileting would
BHH> only make sense in a perfect world. But we are asked not to overlap 
BHH> PT/OT/Nursing for fear the tx will be seen as un-necessary? What the pt is
BHH> able to do for themselves certainly will change as they begin to heal from
BHH> their insult. By the time you see them in home tx they are more aware of
BHH> what their priorities are. 


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