A referral should be made a.s.a.p. to an ophthalmologist or neurologist for
further intervention.  Double vision, diplopia is an impairment of the
musculature that controls the eye and is commonly the result of a cranial
nerve disorder. Depending on the location/nature of the surgery this may be
a known result, or not.  Either way, the physicians need to be alerted to
this condition.  Again, depending on the etiology of the diplopia it may
spontaneously resolve or the patient may be given eye exercises, prisms,
patch, etc.  However, if it is anticipate that spontaneous resolution will
occur, then the patient may be given nothing for compensation.  In this
event, although it is difficult and disruptive for the patient and
rehabilitation, a patch should not be used unless okayed by the medical team
and used in strict accordance to their prescription lest it interfere with
resolution of the diplopia. 
As for intervention, you might want to do some investigation/testing to
determine if there are any areas of convergence/monocular vision in any gaze
direction or length & then utilize this as much as possible during therapy.
Hope that helps.
Deann

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   1. Re: The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard (Ron Carson)
   2. 6 weeks of function? (Charles Sullivan)
   3. Re: 6 weeks of function? (Diane Randall)
   4. Double vision (Diane Randall)
   5. Re: Double vision (Ron Carson)
   6. Re: The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard ([email protected])
   7. Re: Double vision (ehthiers)
   8. Re: Double vision ([email protected])
   9. Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter (Ron Carson)
  10. Re: Double vision (Diane Randall)
  11. Re: Double vision (Diane Randall)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:24:42 -0500
From: Ron Carson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Barb,  I want to offer a suggestion. In my early days as an OT, I worked
in adult rehab. It was VERY faced paced and therapists generally had 2 -
3  patient's  hour.  In the beginning, I was stuck in the peg, cone, etc
routine, but one day I read a book that changed my practice.

I changed my practice pattern from UE/ADL to occupation-based treatment.
In  this approach, a patients occupational needs/desires become the ONLY
reason  for  treatment. In the absence of occupational problems that are
improvable, there is no role for OT.

This  approach 100% clarified my treatment for both myself and patients.
I  no  longer  wondered  what  to  do  with  patients. Suddenly, I began
stepping  away  from  typical OT activity and began addressing patient's
most  important  needs.  My  treatment boundaries greatly expanded and I
began feeling much better about my treatments.

No longer did I do "contrived" OT treatment, instead I addressed the the
ACTUAL  needs  of  the patients. Since you asked for concrete ideas here
they are:

1. Identify client's needs/desires

2. Identify why the can't do these things

3. Direct 100% of your treatment to:

        a. Remediating underlying issues

        b. Compensating for uncorrectable problems

        c. Changing environments

Forget  made up activities, forget games and other silly things. YOU CAN
DO THIS!

Ron

--
Ron Carson MHS, OT
www.OTnow.com



----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009
To:   [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subj: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard



bcn> Thanks, Sue, for providing some specifics.? I understand the need
bcn> for functional tx that is specific to the patient!? I just need
bcn> some more specific, concrete ideas about how others do this in the
bcn> clinic environment.? With productivity demands it is even difficult
bcn> for me to spend time in a patient's room alone with them.? I seem
bcn> to be the ONLY OT in my department who takes the time to do ADLs with
some of my patients.



bcn> So I am looking for more concrete ideas and less philosophical
bcn> ranting.? I do get that part.? I know venting is necessary
bcn> sometimes, but I joined this list to get more specific ideas to
bcn> help with my tx planning and so that is why I asked the question. 



bcn> Thanks, 

bcn> Barb Howard COTA 




bcn> ----- Original Message ----- 
bcn> From: "Sue Doyle" <[email protected]> 
bcn> To: [email protected] 
bcn> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 7:46:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

bcn> Subject: Re: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard 


bcn> I am the lead therapist in an inpatient rehab center. We focus on the 
bcn> clients goals and predominantly use functional tasks. Even spent the 
bcn> afternoon knitting and compiling emails with a patient. I have a
bcn> carburetor that I have had out several times for some of the men to
bcn> work on as their goal has been to go back to working on their car. 

bcn> Sue D 





>> From: [email protected] 
>> To: [email protected] 
>> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:46:44 -0500 
>> Subject: Re: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard 
>> 
>> I do not have alot of experience yet ...I am still a student, but I have
been in places that simply sit patients up at tables and gave them something
to do that may or may not be functional for them specifically. For example,
a patient may get something out of cognitively out of sorting colored pegs
on a peg board but is has no meaning to their life. Our challenge as
professionals is to dig deeper and find something that we can do to reach
the same goal but make it applicable to the patients life. However, I
understand this has been all but impossible in many rehabs because of
productivity demands. I happen to be in a rehab setting that is more
flexible because the we smaller and it is acute rehab vs. SNF. I cannot
judge how other places are run, in fact, I do feel I am in a unique facility
and although I may never be employed there, I will take this experience with
me wherever I go. ADL's are the first priority and ususaly what the patients
say are goals for themselves but we can make meals, simulate homemaking
activites, and the list goes on..the point is that is has some functional
application to the patient...so it is always different and changing. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on 
>> Behalf Of [email protected] 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 19:06 
>> To: [email protected] 
>> Subject: Re: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How about sharing some specifics - some typical tx sessions. 
>> 
>> When you say adult rehab, do you mean outpatient,..home health...? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This is becoming a mantra - Productivity requirements impose cookie
cutter approaches. 
>> 
>> Therapists are caught in the middle and many give up swimming upstream.
?I haven't given up, but 
>> 
>> I know I have to go elsewhere to accomplish this. ?I'd like to run my own
department someday, but 
>> 
>> I want to learn as much as I can specifically about functional treatment,
that is, in addition to doing ADLs 
>> 
>> with patients. 
>> 
>> Any info would be appreciated. 
>> 
>> Barb Howard, COTA 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Diane Randall" <[email protected]> 
>> To: [email protected] 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:31:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

>> Subject: Re: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard 
>> 
>> Wow..I am interning in adult rehab right now and UE therex is only used
for 
>> people who really need it. Been there six weeks and everything revolves 
>> around function. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on 
>> Behalf Of Ron Carson 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 18:40 
>> To: [email protected] 
>> Subject: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard 
>> 
>> 
>> Today, ?I ?met ?a ?new ?PT assistant who was just starting with our home 
>> health ?company. ?He was just finishing with a patient as I was starting 
>> my ?evaluation. ?The PTA came from 20 years of geriatric rehab and rehab 
>> experiences. 
>> 
>> About ?1/2 ?through ?my eval he said to me, and I quote: "I'm not use to 
>> OT's ?working on functional things". He went on to say that at his rehab 
>> facility, the OT's mainly did UE exercises. 
>> 
>> "Living life to the fullest". What a crock! 
>> 
>> Ron 
>> 
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>> 
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:46:03 -0500
From: Charles Sullivan <[email protected]>
Subject: [OTlist] 6 weeks of function?
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1



Hey Diane...What do you mean by 6 wks of function??

"Been there six weeks and everything revolves around function."







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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:12:49 -0500
From: "Diane Randall" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OTlist] 6 weeks of function?
To: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

I just meant that I have only been there for six weeks and I feel I have
been taught to focus on funtional activites for the entire time I have been
there. ( I was responding to Ron's experience with a PTA who said he had not
witnessed OT's doing anything functional just UE exercises.)

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on
Behalf Of Charles Sullivan
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 18:46
To: [email protected]
Subject: [OTlist] 6 weeks of function?




Hey Diane...What do you mean by 6 wks of function??

"Been there six weeks and everything revolves around function."





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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:23:21 -0500
From: "Diane Randall" <[email protected]>
Subject: [OTlist] Double vision
To: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"

My supervisor is just finishing up an eval on a patient who has double
vision secondary to brain surgury. Has anyone had a patient with this
particular deficit and can offer ideas on compensation strategies to perform
adls/safe functional mobility. etc? Thanks





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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:38:31 -0500
From: Ron Carson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Double vision
To: Diane Randall <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

The  only  compensation that I know of for double vision is patching one
eye. Of course, there are complications associated with patching.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: Diane Randall <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009
To:   [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subj: [OTlist] Double vision

DR> My supervisor is just finishing up an eval on a patient who has double
DR> vision secondary to brain surgury. Has anyone had a patient with this
DR> particular deficit and can offer ideas on compensation strategies to
perform
DR> adls/safe functional mobility. etc? Thanks



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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:02:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard
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What was the book??? 



I DO try to focus my tx around? the patient's needs/desires.? Remediating
underlying issues often DOES involve balance and strengthening, especially
when you are working with the elderly whose main concern when coming into tx
is debilitation and weakness.? Anxiety is also often?a barrier as well as
motivation - do they really want to do for themselves or have they succombed
to the cultural prejudice of "you're old and so you just can't do as much
anymore."? The goals I work on with people are often pretty basic - can you
dress, wash and toilet on your own, and is it safe to do so.? 



Productivity is a HUGE issue.? If I have to see 12 patients in a day, most
of whom have an average of 50 minutes (their RUG level according to the
Medicare system), I don't have much time to plan individual tx's.?
Regardless, I really try to do this, contrived activities and all.? Filling
up 50 minutes of tx time when you have to work multiple patients and save
time for documentation is a challenge, even when I use the contrived
activities.? I do my best to choose on the basis of the specific goals of
the patient, and attempt most days to schedule tx times so that I can work
with people who have similar/same issues so that I'm not just providing busy
work for one while I work with the other.? Many people have combined balance
and UE limitations which make it extremely difficult to find any activity to
do with them, functional or not.?? 



One thing I do accomplish with most patients is meaningful interaction.?
This is an effective way to find out what their needs/desires are.? I say
this because it is difficult to do when you feel "rushed" to see many people
at one time and to keep up with what you are doing with each.? Other
therapists do not take the "time" to do this, and sometimes come to me?for
help?in motivating?a "difficult" patient.? I don't say this as a criticism.?
I understand exactly the pressure they work under. 



Hence my obsession with concrete suggestions.? And I mean concrete as in...
what did you do with patient x to address issues x, y and z.? I understand
the overarching philosophical importance of functional tx,?but it is
difficult to be a purist when the work environment makes so many other
demands of you, demands that must be met to appease Medicare and your
supervisors.? Unfortunately, I need a job.? And I do like working in rehab.?
I just need to find a way to juggle all these variables in a way that serves
the patient best.? I am looking for a different position, but in Michigan,
that takes time. 



Thanks for listening, 

Barb Howard 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Carson" <[email protected]> 
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:24:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard 

Barb, ?I want to offer a suggestion. In my early days as an OT, I worked 
in adult rehab. It was VERY faced paced and therapists generally had 2 - 
3 ?patient's ?hour. ?In the beginning, I was stuck in the peg, cone, etc 
routine, but one day I read a book that changed my practice. 

I changed my practice pattern from UE/ADL to occupation-based treatment. 
In ?this approach, a patients occupational needs/desires become the ONLY 
reason ?for ?treatment. In the absence of occupational problems that are 
improvable, there is no role for OT. 

This ?approach 100% clarified my treatment for both myself and patients. 
I ?no ?longer ?wondered ?what ?to ?do ?with ?patients. Suddenly, I began 
stepping ?away ?from ?typical OT activity and began addressing patient's 
most ?important ?needs. ?My ?treatment boundaries greatly expanded and I 
began feeling much better about my treatments. 

No longer did I do "contrived" OT treatment, instead I addressed the the 
ACTUAL ?needs ?of ?the patients. Since you asked for concrete ideas here 
they are: 

1. Identify client's needs/desires 

2. Identify why the can't do these things 

3. Direct 100% of your treatment to: 

?? ? ? ?a. Remediating underlying issues 

?? ? ? ?b. Compensating for uncorrectable problems 

?? ? ? ?c. Changing environments 

Forget ?made up activities, forget games and other silly things. YOU CAN 
DO THIS! 

Ron 

-- 
Ron Carson MHS, OT 
www.OTnow.com 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 
To: ? [email protected] <[email protected]> 
Subj: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard 



bcn> Thanks, Sue, for providing some specifics.? I understand the need 
bcn> for functional tx that is specific to the patient!? I just need 
bcn> some more specific, concrete ideas about how others do this in the 
bcn> clinic environment.? With productivity demands it is even difficult 
bcn> for me to spend time in a patient's room alone with them.? I seem 
bcn> to be the ONLY OT in my department who takes the time to do ADLs with
some of my patients. 



bcn> So I am looking for more concrete ideas and less philosophical 
bcn> ranting.? I do get that part.? I know venting is necessary 
bcn> sometimes, but I joined this list to get more specific ideas to 
bcn> help with my tx planning and so that is why I asked the question. 



bcn> Thanks, 

bcn> Barb Howard COTA 




bcn> ----- Original Message ----- 
bcn> From: "Sue Doyle" <[email protected]> 
bcn> To: [email protected] 
bcn> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 7:46:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

bcn> Subject: Re: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard 


bcn> I am the lead therapist in an inpatient rehab center. We focus on the 
bcn> clients goals and predominantly use functional tasks. Even spent the 
bcn> afternoon knitting and compiling emails with a patient. I have a 
bcn> carburetor that I have had out several times for some of the men to 
bcn> work on as their goal has been to go back to working on their car. 

bcn> Sue D 





>> From: [email protected] 
>> To: [email protected] 
>> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:46:44 -0500 
>> Subject: Re: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard 
>> 
>> I do not have alot of experience yet ...I am still a student, but I have
been in places that simply sit patients up at tables and gave them something
to do that may or may not be functional for them specifically. For example,
a patient may get something out of cognitively out of sorting colored pegs
on a peg board but is has no meaning to their life. Our challenge as
professionals is to dig deeper and find something that we can do to reach
the same goal but make it applicable to the patients life. However, I
understand this has been all but impossible in many rehabs because of
productivity demands. I happen to be in a rehab setting that is more
flexible because the we smaller and it is acute rehab vs. SNF. I cannot
judge how other places are run, in fact, I do feel I am in a unique facility
and although I may never be employed there, I will take this experience with
me wherever I go. ADL's are the first priority and ususaly what the patients
say are goals for themselves but we can make meals, simulate homemaking
activites, and the list goes on..the point is that is has some functional
application to the patient...so it is always different and changing. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on 
>> Behalf Of [email protected] 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 19:06 
>> To: [email protected] 
>> Subject: Re: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How about sharing some specifics - some typical tx sessions. 
>> 
>> When you say adult rehab, do you mean outpatient,..home health...? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This is becoming a mantra - Productivity requirements impose cookie
cutter approaches. 
>> 
>> Therapists are caught in the middle and many give up swimming upstream.
?I haven't given up, but 
>> 
>> I know I have to go elsewhere to accomplish this. ?I'd like to run my own
department someday, but 
>> 
>> I want to learn as much as I can specifically about functional treatment,
that is, in addition to doing ADLs 
>> 
>> with patients. 
>> 
>> Any info would be appreciated. 
>> 
>> Barb Howard, COTA 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Diane Randall" <[email protected]> 
>> To: [email protected] 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:31:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

>> Subject: Re: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard 
>> 
>> Wow..I am interning in adult rehab right now and UE therex is only used
for 
>> people who really need it. Been there six weeks and everything revolves 
>> around function. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on 
>> Behalf Of Ron Carson 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 18:40 
>> To: [email protected] 
>> Subject: [OTlist] The Saddest OT Statement I've Ever Heard 
>> 
>> 
>> Today, ?I ?met ?a ?new ?PT assistant who was just starting with our home 
>> health ?company. ?He was just finishing with a patient as I was starting 
>> my ?evaluation. ?The PTA came from 20 years of geriatric rehab and rehab 
>> experiences. 
>> 
>> About ?1/2 ?through ?my eval he said to me, and I quote: "I'm not use to 
>> OT's ?working on functional things". He went on to say that at his rehab 
>> facility, the OT's mainly did UE exercises. 
>> 
>> "Living life to the fullest". What a crock! 
>> 
>> Ron 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ron Carson MHS, OT 
>> www.OTnow.com 
>> 
>> 
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:55:41 -0500
From: "ehthiers" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Double vision
To: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <be40cabe96094b6d8db380897a762...@bethslaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Besthing to do is find a neuro optometrist.  Let them help the person first.
I know we work with developmental/ neuroptometrists in our area.  First see
if they can correct for it, prisms, special patiching, etc.  Does the person
get it all the time?  Is it just from vision or also from vestibular issues?

Elizabeth Thiers, OTR/L
FECTS
[email protected]
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Carson
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:39 PM
> To: Diane Randall
> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Double vision
> 
> The  only  compensation that I know of for double vision is 
> patching one eye. Of course, there are complications 
> associated with patching.
> 
> Ron
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Diane Randall <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009
> To:   [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subj: [OTlist] Double vision
> 
> DR> My supervisor is just finishing up an eval on a patient who has 
> DR> double vision secondary to brain surgury. Has anyone had 
> a patient 
> DR> with this particular deficit and can offer ideas on compensation 
> DR> strategies to perform adls/safe functional mobility. etc? Thanks
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:11:21 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Double vision
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

One?technique that I use is partial patching of the eye by using transpore
tape (found in most nursing stations)? I simply place the tape on the medial
aspect of the patient's pair of glasses.? This will compensate for the
double vision but at the same time allow stimulation to the eye to prevent
problems and lack of peripheral vision.

Chris Nahrwold MS, OTR


-----Original Message-----
From: ehthiers <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Double vision



Besthing to do is find a neuro optometrist.  Let them help the person first.
I know we work with developmental/ neuroptometrists in our area.  First see
if they can correct for it, prisms, special patiching, etc.  Does the person
get it all the time?  Is it just from vision or also from vestibular issues?

Elizabeth Thiers, OTR/L
FECTS
[email protected]
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Carson
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:39 PM
> To: Diane Randall
> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Double vision
> 
> The  only  compensation that I know of for double vision is 
> patching one eye. Of course, there are complications 
> associated with patching.
> 
> Ron
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Diane Randall <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009
> To:   [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subj: [OTlist] Double vision
> 
> DR> My supervisor is just finishing up an eval on a patient who has 
> DR> double vision secondary to brain surgury. Has anyone had 
> a patient 
> DR> with this particular deficit and can offer ideas on compensation 
> DR> strategies to perform adls/safe functional mobility. etc? Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> DR> --
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:52:59 -0500
From: Ron Carson <[email protected]>
Subject: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter
To: [email protected]
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Hello All:

What  follows  are  thoughts and opinion about using occupation as *THE*
goal for OT treatment.

Here's is the premise for my arguments:

(1)  When occupation is *THE* goal, outcome statements may be written in
concise occupation-based outcomes. For example:

        Patient  will  safely  and independently ambulate to/from toilet
        with RW and perform all hygiene without assistive equipment.

        Patient  will  transfer  from  w/c  to  bed  using  slide  board
        transfers

        Patient will dress self using adaptive equipment as necessary

(2)  Conversely,  when  occupation  is  not  *THE* goal, outcomes may be
written  so  that  occupation  is  a  desired  outcome  but  is based on
improving underlying impairment(s). For example:

        Patient  will increase UE elbow ROM to 115 degree active flexion
        to all for donning/doffing of shirt

        Patient  will  increase standing endurance/balance to allow them
        to safely and independently carry out toileting hygiene.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Some  argue there is little difference in the above approaches. However,
I believe these approaches frame patient problems very differently. This
is important because how we frame a problem drives our treatment.

The  first example clearly identifies that occupation is the goal. There
is  no  expressed  concern  for underlying factors impairing occupation.
However,  and  this  if often overlooked, it is IMPLIED that all factors
impairing  the  goal  will be treated within the therapist's abilities.
This is true because occupation includes the following factors:

        Physical, emotional, mental environmental, behavioral, social

Thus,  as  OT's  and  within  our  scope  of  practice, occupation-based
outcomes address all factors impairing the desire occupations.

While  the  second  example  does include occupation as an outcome, only
factors addressed in the goals are included for treatment. This severely
limits  treatment  and  in  my  opinion  indicates  that  remediation of
underlying  impairments  is  the  real  goal. The implication is that if
underlying impairments are remediated, occupation will improve. However,
is  inconsistent  with  OT theory because occupation is ALWAYS more than
physical.  In  my  opinion,  the  second  example is much more like a PT
rather than an OT goal!

In  closing,  writing occupation-based goals is important for us and for
the patient. These goals allow us to focus on occupation's many elements
and complexity to best enable our patients.

Thanks,

Ron

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:09:28 -0500
From: "Diane Randall" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Double vision
To: <[email protected]>
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Thnak you ..I will pass this along.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on
Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 21:11
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Double vision


One?technique that I use is partial patching of the eye by using transpore
tape (found in most nursing stations)? I simply place the tape on the medial
aspect of the patient's pair of glasses.? This will compensate for the
double vision but at the same time allow stimulation to the eye to prevent
problems and lack of peripheral vision.

Chris Nahrwold MS, OTR


-----Original Message-----
From: ehthiers <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Double vision



Besthing to do is find a neuro optometrist.  Let them help the person first.
I know we work with developmental/ neuroptometrists in our area.  First see
if they can correct for it, prisms, special patiching, etc.  Does the person
get it all the time?  Is it just from vision or also from vestibular issues?

Elizabeth Thiers, OTR/L
FECTS
[email protected]


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Carson
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:39 PM
> To: Diane Randall
> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Double vision
>
> The  only  compensation that I know of for double vision is
> patching one eye. Of course, there are complications
> associated with patching.
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009
> To:   [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subj: [OTlist] Double vision
>
> DR> My supervisor is just finishing up an eval on a patient who has
> DR> double vision secondary to brain surgury. Has anyone had
> a patient
> DR> with this particular deficit and can offer ideas on compensation
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:08:53 -0500
From: "Diane Randall" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Double vision
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Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Thank you. I believe the double vision is a direct result of the surgery. I
will have to talk to my supervisor. thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on
Behalf Of ehthiers
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 20:56
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Double vision


Besthing to do is find a neuro optometrist.  Let them help the person first.
I know we work with developmental/ neuroptometrists in our area.  First see
if they can correct for it, prisms, special patiching, etc.  Does the person
get it all the time?  Is it just from vision or also from vestibular issues?

Elizabeth Thiers, OTR/L
FECTS
[email protected]


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Carson
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:39 PM
> To: Diane Randall
> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Double vision
>
> The  only  compensation that I know of for double vision is
> patching one eye. Of course, there are complications
> associated with patching.
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Diane Randall <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009
> To:   [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subj: [OTlist] Double vision
>
> DR> My supervisor is just finishing up an eval on a patient who has
> DR> double vision secondary to brain surgury. Has anyone had
> a patient
> DR> with this particular deficit and can offer ideas on compensation
> DR> strategies to perform adls/safe functional mobility. etc? Thanks
>
>
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