Hi, thanks very much indeed for the detailed explanation. And I agree that such information in the app description would be good, and I guess that it could motivate one or the other who otherwise wouldn't buy the app, to actually do so!
Best regards, Randolph Alessandro Cosentino <[email protected]> schrieb: >@Tom: great points! Maybe we should write those points somewhere more >explicitly, like on the Google play store page? > >Alessandro > >On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Derek Broes <[email protected]> wrote: >> Is it not permissible to compile your own app with your own >contributions >> and sell yourself? If you add some great features to the app and >maybe >> change the UI a bit you can sell a different version of the app >yourself as >> long as you make your improvement and code availble to the community >for >> free. This is beauty of open source. I have my own app that has >features I >> built but they are features specific to ne and my company so I dobt >sell >> them but, I could sell ny app too. Diversity and choice is terrific. >We >> need more than one app anyway. Build away and I will be first in >line to >> buy the app. >> >> On Aug 30, 2013 8:12 AM, "Randolph Carter" ><[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Exactly the point which I wanted to raise as well. In my opinion, in >>> such a case as the owncloud app it needs to be clear where the money >>> goes exactly. Because why should someone work on something where >>> *somebody else* earns money for it? >>> >>> It's not the contributing itself which is in question here; nor the >fact >>> that there's no money for it - I think we all know that the real >benefit >>> and reward of working on Open Source software lie somewhere else >than in >>> money. However, if contributing means helping someone else to earn >>> money, without getting any oneself, that has the potential to squash >any >>> motivation for contributing for free. >>> >>> I don't argue that open source software cannot also be sold. I just >want >>> to make the point that in the best interest of keeping everybody >>> interested in contributing, transparency of any such money flows is >>> crucial! >>> >>> Randolph >>> >>> On 2013-08-30 15:06, Alessandro Cosentino wrote: >>> > Sorry to butt in on this conversation, but I believe the main >point, >>> > on which Kelvin was confused when he asked those questions on IRC, >was >>> > not addressed in this thread yet. >>> > Let me play his advocate here. We encouraged him to not fork the >>> > project and to rather work along the owncloud community to the >>> > existing app. >>> > And yes, almost all of us agree that "Selling free software" is >the >>> > right thing to do. >>> > But his point (at least on IRC) was: if I help with coding, will I >get >>> > a percentage of the money that users pay for the app? >>> > If not, who gets the money? >>> > On IRC we weren't able to address these questions. >>> > >>> > Alessandro >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:09 AM, Jan-Christoph Borchardt >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> In addition to what Frank said, you might find this article on >>> >> »Selling Free Software« interesting: >>> >> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html >>> >> >>> >> »Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU Project is that >you >>> >> should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or >that >>> >> you should charge as little as possible — just enough to cover >the >>> >> cost. This is a misunderstanding. >>> >> Actually, we encourage people who redistribute free software to >charge >>> >> as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, >please >>> >> read on.« >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> It’s similar if you look at some of the other apps interacting >with >>> >> ownCloud, notably the mobile apps for the News reader. >>> >> There’s the Android app by David: >>> >> >>> >> >https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.luhmer.owncloudnewsreader >>> >> And the iOS app by Peter: >>> >> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iocnews/id683859706 >>> >> I think it’s great that they develop both open source, and charge >for >>> >> them too. And it’s worth it because the apps are really good! >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> So please be welcome and contribute: >http://github.com/owncloud/android >>> >> :) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Frank Karlitschek >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Kelvin, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 29.08.2013, at 21:36, Kelvin Hammond ><[email protected]> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'm wanting to add CalDav and CardDav support to the android >owncloud >>> >>>> app and maybe some other features should I have the time to do >so. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The problem I'm running into now is that the app is for sale on >the >>> >>>> android market instead of free even though its open source. >>> >>> >>> >>> This is not an contradiction. The app is open source but also >cost >>> >>> $0.99 in the store. >>> >>> The money is used to pay for some of the development that goes >into >>> >>> the app. If you don't want to spend one dollar than you can grab >the source >>> >>> code from github, compile it yourself and put it on you device. >But I think >>> >>> it's friendly to support the development with $0.99 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> I've paid for the app on the market already only to find that >it >>> >>>> doesn't support contacts or calendar sync which is what I >bought it for. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry for that. I think it was in the app description that it >support >>> >>> access to files but no contacts/calendar syncing yet. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'd have no problem doing it for free if the app was free but >seeing >>> >>>> as how the app isn't free who does the money go to? >>> >>> >>> >>> The money goes to the developers who write this open source app. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> If I add these features am I allowed to fork the owncloud app >and put >>> >>>> it on sale on the android market? >>> >>> >>> >>> You are allowed to do that. It is is open source so you can fork >it if >>> >>> you want. But I would recommend to not do that but to contribute >to the >>> >>> existing app. The ownCloud community is friendly and open for >new >>> >>> contributors, ideas and code. So I would recommend to look at >the code on >>> >>> github and submit your extension and pull request. It's better >to work >>> >>> together instead of duplicate work. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks a lot and let me know if you have any questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Thank you, >>> >>>> Kelvin Hammond >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> Owncloud mailing list >>> >>>> [email protected] >>> >>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Owncloud mailing list >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Owncloud mailing list >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Owncloud mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Owncloud mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Owncloud mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud >> >_______________________________________________ >Owncloud mailing list >[email protected] >https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud
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