>> As a completely unrelated note, one of the original crew on WebForms sits down the hall from me - part of me wants to walk into his office, grab him by the collar and say 'What were you thinking?!!!'
Although I personally came to dislike the Web Forms model, I do think it was innovative and an idea that deserved to be tried, and I'm sure the people who worked on it were very smart. Even bad ideas deserve a chance to see if they float - that's how we learn. I think the only mistake was waiting this long to absorb the thinking of other communities and to try something different. Paul On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, David Kean <[email protected]>wrote: > By MVC here I'm clearly talking about ASP.NET MVC, not the pattern. > > My point is that there is a huge barrier to entry to presentation patterns > such as MVC, MVP and MVVM - that if Microsoft was to adopt these as the only > way to develop Web and Client apps, we wouldn't be as successful. There is a > huge market of developers (mainly web based) under what we call the 'breadth > developer' that would be excluded by these advanced concepts. Hell if you'd > told me just over 9 years ago (years before I joined Microsoft) that I > needed to learn not only this new thing called .NET but also this pattern > called MVC, I would have turned and run. I would have probably stayed with > ASP (which what I was using at the time), before long moving to something > like similar like PHP. While now I can look back at my naivety and realize > now that there is a whole better way of developing software, I really think > that developers need to come to that realization themselves, and not have it > forced down their throat by someone else. > > (As a completely unrelated note, one of the original crew on WebForms sits > down the hall from me - part of me wants to walk into his office, grab him > by the collar and say 'What were you thinking?!!!') > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] on > behalf of David Connors [[email protected]] > *Sent:* Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:12 PM > > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: ASP.NET Web Forms vs MVC vs ... > > On 19 March 2010 13:44, David Kean <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Truthfully, if MVC came before WebForms, >> > > It did by a significant margin - but just not on .NET. That kind of > underscores the point that people are adopting it because it is new (at > least in their minds) - or perhaps ready made on .NET. > > people wouldn't have flocked to the .NET platform like they did. There >> was a reason that WebForms was so successful - it mimic'd the existing drag >> and drop paradigm that VB6 developers were used to. >> > > Or in otherwords, web forms was an exercise in marketing rather than good > engineering. > > -- > David Connors ([email protected]) > Software Engineer > Codify Pty Ltd - www.codify.com > Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 > 189 363 > V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors > Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact > > -- Paul Stovell
