On 9 September 2010 10:33, silky <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Arjang Assadi <[email protected]> > wrote: > > [...] > >> Allowing people to directly play with data nullifies any attempt of >> forcing business rules in a system. > > It's interesting. Nobody said anything about this. Yet, you are > refuting what is arguably 'common sense', but also, something that is, > when taken to extremes, not even that useful. Now, you have forced a > detailed response from David and probably you will have no direct > reply to it. I needed to test what I thought I knew, the only way to test the idea was to push it as far as possible and see if it did hold. Without the David's response I would have not got more information to change my opinion. What I said was using all I knew, but the extra information that David provided changed the picture.
> The consensus will probably be something as amazingly > useless as "it depends" or similar. You must have read my mind! That is what I ended up with! :) > > Perhaps I'm picking on you because I used to do the same thing. > Perhaps it is because I am seeing this style of discussion more and > more on the Internet, and it just seems so amazingly wasteful. But why > not stick explicitly to points raised, discussing them part by part, > and not setting up "straw-men" and other such items that just draw > needless comments. Because I needed to test the idea, and without the the extra info that came from David I would have not changed my mind. After all that is the meaning of life for some of us. To test our ideas, and be proven wrong is what makes us progress. > > We're all friends here right, all programmers of some sort of > capacity, I don't think there is any great need to construct obviously > correct points for useless commentary that everyone already knows. > Perhaps I'm being uselessly argumentative now. Probably. Anyway, just > my argumentative 2c. I had to think hard and before sending the last email to David I just keep wondering that I should just let it go. But by pursuing the matter and being proven wrong I learned something. Granted I probably could have worded it differently, but the response from David made it worth while. It is better to try and fail than keep wondering wha if. I am always happy to critisized and proven wrong, cause when I am right I don't learn anything new. If the price is to be seen as argumentitive and/or a troll it is way worthed.
