but i am glad you scoured the complete internet and analisyed everything as I said before the podcast I listen to has a guy who has mates in the phone team, he has been saying for months and months he did not think would be able to upgrade and offered many reasons...
so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it is.... seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a lollie in the supermarket On 27 June 2012 13:42, .net noobie <[email protected]> wrote: > yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed > > you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe > > On 27 June 2012 13:17, Bill McCarthy <[email protected]> wrote: >> LOL. I guess you still don't get it. You made a guess, not an informed one. >> There wasn't information out there that led one way or another; although as >> cited, there was plenty of people "informed" who thought it would be an >> upgrade. Yes it turns out you guessed right (perhaps after the fact or not >> as we don't have any history of you saying either way earlier ;) ), but that >> guess was not an informed guess. That's why I asked you to cite references >> to what made your guess informed. >> >> Anyway, like I said I think this has now got beyond the stage of dead >> donkey. Have a think about it, do the research and hopefully you won't be so >> shocked anymore ;) >> >> |-----Original Message----- >> |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- >> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of .net noobie >> |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:58 PM >> |To: ozDotNet >> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> | >> |yeah, so i said what i said... "rumours" >> | >> |but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have >> been >> |more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not >> |be happening >> | >> |if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way >> but >> |it was not ment to upset you or anyone else >> | >> | >> | >> |On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> |> I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like >> |> dead donkey), >> |> >> |> |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but >> |> |rumours/speculation >> |> >> |> Yes this is what you said: >> |> >> |>>>So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people >> |>>>seem >> |> to so upset, >> |>>> everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while >> |>>> would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update >> |>>> wp7 device to >> |> wp8 >> |> >> |> To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns >> |> about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't >> |> be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was >> |> speculation both ways. >> |> >> |> I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP >> |> between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them >> |> probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps >> |> until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. >> |> >> |> >> |> >> |> |-----Original Message----- >> |> |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- >> |> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of .net noobie >> |> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM >> |> |To: ozDotNet >> |> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> |> | >> |> |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but >> |> |rumours/speculation >> |> | >> |> |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the >> |> |argumet >> |> | >> |> |I then said I made my "Asumptions/Guess" from them, >> |> | >> |> |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself >> |> | >> |> |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I >> |> read/saw/listened >> |> |to a year+ ago >> |> | >> |> |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they >> |> |are >> |> going to >> |> |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all >> |> running the >> |> |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the >> |> abilities/features >> |> |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity >> |> |stuff >> |> etc >> |> |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe >> |> |this >> |> will be >> |> |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if >> |> |it is >> |> correct i >> |> |don't know >> |> | >> |> |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their >> |> |box >> |> | >> |> |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice >> |> |cover >> |> and claim >> |> |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory >> |> |in >> |> china with, >> |> |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers >> |> | >> |> | >> |> | >> |> | >> |> | >> |> |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy >> |> |<[email protected]> >> |> wrote: >> |> |> Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, >> |> |> and one of the responses marked as an answer said "yes the lumia >> |> |> would be upgradable to win8" >> |> |> >> |> |> Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. >> |> |> Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when >> |> |> there was a lot of speculation over the same thing: >> |> |> http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-ge >> |> |> t-a >> |> |> pollo >> |> |> >> |> |> Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that >> |> |> it would upgrade. >> |> |> >> |> |> And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 >> |> |> running on a currently available Windows Phone, then any >> |> |> speculation that it can't be done is clearly wrong. >> |> |> >> |> |> But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim >> |> |> people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. >> |> |> Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average >> |> |> consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a >> |> |> Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow. >> |> |> If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5 >> |> |> (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta. >> |> |> >> |> |> The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because >> |> |> Microsoft has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing >> |devices. >> |> |> Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. >> |> |> Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's no >> |> |> wonder that although WP is really nice it remains such a small >> |> |> market share (and most likely to plummet even further over the coming >> |months). >> |> |> >> |> |> It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;) >> |> |> >> |> |> >> |> |> >> |> |> |-----Original Message----- >> |> |> |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- >> |> |> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of .net noobie >> |> |> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM >> |> |> |To: ozDotNet >> |> |> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> |> |> | >> |> |> |nov 2011 >> |> |> |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7- >> |> |> |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b- >> |> |> |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a >> |> |> | >> |> |> |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before >> |> |> | >> |> |> |talking to people on twitter >> |> |> | >> |> |> |etc, >> |> |> | >> |> |> |the net is a big place >> |> |> | >> |> |> |I said rumors on blogs... not major review sites >> |> |> | >> |> |> |but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and >> |> |> |beyond a >> |> |> year ago >> |> |> |but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was >> |> |> |thinking >> |> |> the >> |> |> |arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it >> |> |> | >> |> |> | >> |> |> | >> |> |> | >> |> |> |On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy >> |> |> |<[email protected]> >> |> |> wrote: >> |> |> |> That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some >> |> |> |> references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the >> |> |> |> top listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming >> |> |> |> but none that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I >> |> |> |> don't recall seeing any phone reviews that in their review of >> |> |> |> the latest WP said there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be >> upgradable. >> |> |> |> >> |> |> |> |-----Original Message----- >> |> |> |> |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- >> |> |> |> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie >> |> |> |> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM >> |> |> |> |To: ozDotNet >> |> |> |> |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what >> |> |> |> |podcast, >> |> |> |> etc >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> |I was not talking about the smart phone market >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> |Sent from my Windows Phone >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> |________________________________ >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> |From: mike smith >> |> |> |> |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00 >> |> |> |> |To: ozDotNet >> |> |> |> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie >> |> |> |> |<[email protected]> >> |> |> |> |wrote: >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | Well, this is not a compitition >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :) >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under >> |> |> |> | the >> |> |> |> impression >> |> |> |> |quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the >> |> |> |> |wp7 devices >> |> |> |> to >> |> |> |> |wp8, >> |> |> |> | I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen >> |> |> |> |to the one >> |> |> |> podcast i >> |> |> |> |mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw >> |> |> |> |people debating >> |> |> |> it as far >> |> |> |> |back as mid to end of 2011 >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS >> |> |> |> | that you would >> |> |> |> be >> |> |> |> |able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either? >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> |I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where >> |> |> |> |you get some >> |> |> |> form of >> |> |> |> |recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain >> |> |> |> |time of a new release. >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a >> |> |> |> | wp8 OS, I >> |> |> |> have >> |> |> |> |no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case >> |> |> |> |if MS wanted >> |> |> |> to >> |> |> |> |basically run win8 on a phone... >> |> |> |> | I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my >> |> |> |> |guess >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> |Or were they pressured by carriers? They more often support >> |> |> |> |handset churn >> |> |> |> than >> |> |> |> |the SW manufacturers. From Microsoft's perspective, there's >> |> |> |> |nothing to >> |> |> |> gain and >> |> |> |> |everything to lose by doing this. (I exaggerate a bit) >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? >> |> |> |> | and i >> |> |> |> maybe >> |> |> |> |wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for >> |> |> |> |mango >> |> |> 7.5? >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, >> |> |> |> | especially if you >> |> |> |> just >> |> |> |> |got a new phone, >> |> |> |> | I got mine the week they came out and I am not really >> |> |> |> |happy either, >> |> |> |> but I >> |> |> |> |guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> |I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that >> |> |> |> |will run 8, >> |> |> |> and that >> |> |> |> |they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way >> |> |> |> |Apple do, >> |> |> |> and >> |> |> |> |Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line) Got an >> |> |> |> |answer for >> |> |> |> that, >> |> |> |> |Microsoft dudes? >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | A reasonable position would be if they issued a >> |> |> |> | rebate for >> |> |> |> those >> |> |> |> |that bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months. It might take the >> |> |> |> |bitter taste >> |> |> |> away for >> |> |> |> |them, somewhat. >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | Mike >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie >> |> |> |> |<[email protected]> wrote: >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | I just listen to podcasts like windows >> |> |> |> | weekly, they >> |> |> |> been >> |> |> |> |saying it for >> |> |> |> | months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot >> |> |> |> |people >> |> |> |> claimig >> |> |> |> |that it would >> |> |> |> | be upgradable >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | but I personally did not expect you >> |> |> |> |would be able to upgrade, becuase >> |> |> |> | I was thinking the the phone was also >> |> |> |> |going to try >> |> |> |> and >> |> |> |> |use the same >> |> |> |> | core as win8, so the phone would be >> |> |> |> |different and current phones most >> |> |> |> | likely would not have the grunt to >> |> |> |> |really do it, but >> |> |> |> i did >> |> |> |> |expect if >> |> |> |> | the phone was more like "windows" that >> |> |> |> |they would be able to still run >> |> |> |> | the old apps >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | but if you google you will see people >> |> |> |> | saying will >> |> |> |> not be >> |> |> |> |upgradable >> |> |> |> | from mid to end of last year, while >> |> |> |> |others saying >> |> |> |> that MS >> |> |> |> |could not >> |> |> |> | cut off wp7 people becuase would kill >> |> |> |> |the phone off >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | -- >> |> |> |> | Meski >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to >> |> |> |> | prison for >> |> |> |> sex. >> |> |> |> |Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> |-- >> |> |> |> |Meski >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> | http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv >> |> |> |> | >> |> |> |> |"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. >> |> |> |> |Sure, >> |> |> |> you'll get it, >> |> |> |> |but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills >> |> |> |> >> |> |> |> >> |> |> >> |> >>
