Paranoia about other apps/sites screenscraping content, do you think? THe tendency to bury text into bitmaps rather than display it in vanilla HTML happens because of this.
Mike On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:27 AM, Scott Barnes <[email protected]>wrote: > REALLY?.. > > Had not known that... I mean in all honesty if there was one UI theme that > you could make accessible cheaply it would be the metro/modern design > theme.. its freaking wireframes coloured in ffs? ... I'd love to know more > about that now... > > --- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.riagenic.com > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Katherine Moss < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Right, but this doesn’t at all address the accessibility problem with >> windows 8 modern. Are you guys aware that blind users and users of screen >> readers and assistive technology like me are completely or 90percent cut >> off from the tiled world because no accessibility testing is done on these >> new apps? Out of all the apps in the store, I can only get three to work >> even close to satisfactorally with any screen reader (system Access >> preferred) and those three are builtin apps; messanger, Sky Drive, and the >> store app itself. None of the others (even if the accessibility rating >> says “yes”), are actually accessible either producing no speech output when >> a screen reader looks for something to output, or producing less than >> satisfactory speech feedback. Maybe I would be more accepting of the new >> style if the new style were accepting of blind individuals and that >> accessibility testing were part of the criteria for certification? **** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Fredericks, Chris >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:36 AM >> >> *To:* ozDotNet >> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am a recent convert to Xamarin products to do cross-platform >> development all in C# for iOS, Android and Windows – all from within Visual >> Studio 2012 using a Mac mini as the iOS build server. Not cheap at $999 >> per platform, but there are free Starter and $299 independent developer >> editions.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> http://www.xamarin.com**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I licensed the iOS and Android Xamarin products so I can now build those >> platforms in addition to all things Windows/Windows Phone all using C# >> which I also happen to love, and have no plans to use HTML/JS whatsoever. >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *[email protected] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 April 2013 5:39 PM >> *To:* ozDotNet >> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Yeah, I’ve also heard on various podcasts that while there are a good >> deal of HTML/JS apps in the store they are not the majority. I chose >> XAML/C# for my apps as I’ve done Silverlight/WPF/Win Phone so seemed like >> the logical choice for me (I also happen to like XAML, Blend etc) but it’s >> certainly not a religious thing just a personal choice. Also I happen to >> love C# 😊 I might even try writing my next Windows Store app in >> HTML/js/css just to see what it’s like...**** >> >> **** >> >> Sent from Windows Mail**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* David Kean >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 April 2013 3:28 PM >> *To:* ozDotNet**** >> >> **** >> >> That is not true. JavaScript/HTML is nowhere close to .NET in the store.* >> *** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Katherine Moss >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:47 AM >> *To:* ozDotNet >> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro?**** >> >> **** >> >> Then why are the majority rather than the minority of windows 8 modern >> apps (I hate that term when talking about computers and servers, belongs on >> a mobile phone), nearly all written in pure HTML5 and JS? Where’s the C# >> or VB in them? And touting HTML5 and JS more than the .net framework >> sounds more like a kill-off rather than an enhancement. **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Arjang Assadi >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:12 AM >> *To:* ozDotNet >> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro?**** >> >> **** >> >> Not taken over but augmented with, .net still reigns supreme, js and html >> allow one to rich the poorest of places in terms of OS and framework. >> Knowing knockout, backbone etc. is a must for any .net programmer.**** >> >> **** >> >> On 10 April 2013 19:15, Bec Carter <[email protected]> wrote:**** >> >> .net taken over by html and js? Haha looks like the pendulum is swinging >> back again....**** >> >> **** >> >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Katherine Moss < >> [email protected]> wrote:**** >> >> I disagree, still. WPF was expanded for instance, from versions 4.0 to >> 4.5 of the .net framework significantly from what I can tell from MSDN. >> And besides, since Windows 8 modern apps are so limited in their feature >> set compared to what we know currently today, I sort of consider Microsoft >> a little crazy for thinking that everyone’s going to accept less than what >> they have now. And that’s what scares me about the “Gemini” update for >> Office coming in the future since in order to metro-ize Office completely, >> according to sources of Mary Joe Fowley on All About Microsoft over at >> ZDNet, she says that what people are telling her is that the update will be >> a subset of the current feature set. And that’s what gets me; what about >> enthusiasts who need more than just a Fisher Price version? What if we >> want all of the cool features? What is Microsoft telling us to do, never >> move on because they are interested in depleting stuff? **** >> >> And then in terms of .net being taken over by HTML and JavaScript? How >> much more 1990’s can you get? Come on, jees. I’ll never accept a version >> of Windows or it’s successors without .net installed and living in some >> form. **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes >> *Sent:* Monday, April 08, 2013 11:27 PM**** >> >> >> *To:* ozDotNet >> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro?**** >> >> **** >> >> Its legacy simply because no investment will be put into it. Windows XP >> is legacy even though I still see people inside a Fortune 500 company right >> now using at as a desktop OS. **** >> >> **** >> >> Silverlight/WPF concepts and IP were consolidated and rehydrated into the >> Windows 8 XAML "runtime" so in a way Legacy would also imply that the vNext >> is the "new" and the older version are the old (just like Silverlight 2 is >> legacy vs Silverlight 4). The problem is Microsoft didn't understand what >> the notion of a "messaging framework" is in terms of Marketing and so they >> left that part out creating this whole conversation right now around Legacy >> true/false. >> >> Its also legacy because of the uncertainty in a lot of >> enterprise/companies around the "AS-IS" futures they've in turn suspended >> investment or looking to shift to a HTML5 deployment model or are open to >> new ideas around next bets. That's not to say a new project isnt created >> every 5secs in WPF/SL today... it's just not advertised and creates this >> whole "is it alive or isnt it" question.**** >> >> >> **** >> >> --- >> Regards, >> Scott Barnes >> http://www.riagenic.com**** >> >> **** >> >> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Katherine Moss <[email protected]> >> wrote:**** >> >> I don’t know why people keep calling stuff like WPF and Win32/64 >> applications “old and legacy”. I still see people using WPF all the time, >> so obviously it’s still got some spirit in it. **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Arjang Assadi >> *Sent:* Monday, April 08, 2013 2:14 AM**** >> >> >> *To:* ozDotNet >> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro?**** >> >> **** >> >> RT totally rocks, since I got it haven't put it down, it is just pure >> awesome.**** >> >> It is light, app switching and screen splitting are so easy.**** >> >> **** >> >> Since I got one I cant remember a day I didn't have it in my hand, most >> of times without the cover.**** >> >> **** >> >> I would like a Pro for alternative set of reasons, but RT will still be >> lighter.**** >> >> **** >> >> Regards**** >> >> **** >> >> Arjang**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On 2 April 2013 10:49, James Chapman-Smith <[email protected]> >> wrote:**** >> >> Hi Folks,**** >> >> **** >> >> I'm thinking about getting myself either a Surface RT or a Surface Pro >> (or maybe some other alternative). Every time I think about it I convince >> myself that one is better than the other but then the next time I flip.** >> ** >> >> **** >> >> What are everyone's thoughts?**** >> >> **** >> >> Should I get a Surface RT or a Surface Pro? Should I get a surface at >> all? How much memory should I get?**** >> >> **** >> >> I thank you for your well thought out ideas in advance.**** >> >> **** >> >> Cheers.**** >> >> **** >> >> James.**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> > > -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
