The mono project and xamarin seem to be doing great things with and for .net. Apart from some bright spots, devdiv have jumped the shark. On 22 Aug 2013 15:16, "Greg Harris" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I was told at Uni (1980) that COBOL was going to die real soon... Since > then COBOL paid off all of my first mortgage. > It was not until about 1994 that COBOL stopped earning for me and I am > sure that there are a lot of people out there still paying their way with > it. > .NET may be on the start of a down turn, but if it is, it has a long way > to go, for now I am happy to stay with .NET, but Microsoft scare me, they > have to look out for what they think is best for Microsoft and we could get > swept up with the good or the bad of that, we have to accept that we have > little control of the ride we are on! Would other options be better, I > doubt it, just different. > > Interesting to look at the job trends, look at: > http://www.simplyhired.com/a/jobtrends/trend/q-asp.net+programmer%2Cruby+programmer%2Clamp+programmer > > [image: Asp.net Programmer, Ruby Programmer, Lamp Programmer trends graph] > > There is a down trend which is not good, I don't know why the data stops a > year ago???? > It may have all changed in the last year? > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Scott Barnes <[email protected]>wrote: > >> In 2008 there was a tipping point in the .NET scene overall and the >> timing was likely due to the post .NET adoption peak or high as to grow >> further meant you had to go to outlying areas of the market. It also had to >> do with the amount of investment and evangelism that went on in Academic >> institutions also dropped significantly (due to scenarios where teachers >> didn't like ASP.NET or WinForms due to their blurring of basic OOP >> principles mixed with costs associated - compared to python, java, php, etc) >> >> Microsoft decided to react and it's really been a 3-5 year campaign on >> driving adoption in the outlying areas - specifically going after pretty >> much the entire landscape(s) of competitors at once ... i mean if they >> aren't fighting and campaigning to convince you all that Google is the >> enemy then its Apple and when not Apple it's back to the LAMP is evil etc. >> >> The problem is they've lost perspective by shifting everyone from >> strategies that start and finish on the fiscal year time lines they in turn >> have created this area of uncertainty where you have a lot of .NET coders >> out there writing WinForms, WebForms, Asp MVC, WPF, Silverlight etc all >> being told they really need to stop doing this and go with HTML5/JS for >> Windows8/Wp8 or C++ for more intensive scenarios. If you then still reject >> they then concede XAML/C# is fine but you still need to write code >> differently because even the name spaces are different (yet you can't >> figure out why given well..they behave and act the same as their >> counterparts...) which you then realise that was a forcing function on >> adopting new over old. >> >> By not giving a transition period between 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 to now.. >> they've basically pushed the crowd of .NET further away from a sustaining >> model of adoption. It then asks everyone who are loyal to the brands and >> technology that comes out from Microsoft to consider two things - "Can you >> trust us to stick this strategy out given our past" and "Have you really >> considered us against the alternative?" >> >> If this were a political party soliciting you for your vote its as if >> they've told you "vote for us and will probably tax you more can't say for >> sure" :) >> >> So yeah, adoption cycles are going to fluctuate around what happens post >> Winforms/Wpf of past... I'd wager that gaming industry will influence the >> outcome given they have a lot more to win/loose around this entire >> uncertainty (given device/desktop/console buying power is massive). >> >> That's where a lot of start-ups occupy today - gaming/kickstarter style >> space. >> >> >> >> >> --- >> Regards, >> Scott Barnes >> http://www.riagenic.com >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Andrew McGrath < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> .NET 2.0 coding still has some uses.... >>> >>> Had to stick to it to create a .NET IDE for the web....using Visual Web >>> GUI (essentially .NET WinForms that runs via your browser) and Xamarin. >>> >>> Can now write .NET code once and run it on web, natively on Android, >>> iOS, Mac and PC....useful in some scenarios. >>> >>> AFAIK, still need native on mobile devices to be able to interact with >>> SQLite as I don't think Javascript + PhoneGap gives you that. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From*: "Nathan Schultz" <[email protected]> >>> *Sent*: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:17 PM >>> *To*: "ozDotNet" <[email protected]> >>> *Subject*: Re: Future of .NET >>> >>> >>> I don't think Microsoft was ever popular with the Startup community. The >>> last time I did anything in that area LAMP was all the rage. >>> I have one mate in the Start-Up community who has used ASP.NET MVC on a >>> project, and said it stacks up okay against Rails. But he hated Entity >>> Framework (he said he wasted days trying to get it working properly). He's >>> since moved on to using Google's Go progamming language. >>> >>> Certainly I like the direction Microsoft is going by cherry picking the >>> best out of other technologies (e.g. lamda expressions, dynamic language >>> run-time, and MVC). Compiler as a Service also seems to have interesting >>> possibilities. It's certainly not growing stale like COBOL. It's when I >>> have to help out with Java projects (despite some good libraries), it feels >>> like a time-warp back to .Net 2.0 days. >>> >>> >>> On 22 August 2013 09:47, Greg Harris <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Microsoft are trying to fix the startup thing with Biz Spark ( >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/) >>>> But when they make super stuff ups like the non support of Silverlight >>>> you do have ask what the @#$%^&* they are doing !!!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't think this will necessarily filter into the enterprise in a >>>>> big. .NET and Java are both really strong in enterprise, as are Oracle and >>>>> SQL Server but not that strong in startups. Enterprise and startups have >>>>> different requirements. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Michael Ridland <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Does this eventually filter into enterprise and if so what does that >>>>>> mean for .NET? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Michael Ridland >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Python / Django / Rails. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think you would be hard press for find a .NET job on AngelList. >>>>>>> Well actually I can see 53 companies out of 3916 that use asp.net. >>>>>>> https://angel.co/ifttt/jobs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not bashing just noting my observations and wanted opinions? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Rob Andrew < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michael, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is the development platform of choice for the cool kids you >>>>>>>> are seeing? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just wondering. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *----- Original Message -----* >>>>>>>> *From:* Michael Ridland [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:38:49 +1000 >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Future of .NET >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's clear that in the Start-up and Web communities the choice for >>>>>>>> development platforms is not .NET. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this mean eventually this will filter up? I'm wondering what >>>>>>>> this means for the future of .NET? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I once had a developer say .NET is the new COBOL. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >
