On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote:
> Wouldn’t you want some sort of lobbying against government outsourcing > IT / coding to India etc?**** > > ** ** > > And that’s what an economist (and I) call “rent seeking” – I’m asking the > government to impose an implicit tax/penalty on everyone else (e.g. through > paying higher prices) to make life better for myself. > You have to call it what it is. > Which is why I’m not particularly enamoured of the idea that “business > people” running the country is good for “the economy”, because what’s good > for a particular business person is the opposite of what’s good for an > economy. **** > > ** ** > > The same applies to unionists being good for “the economy” – they’re not. > They’re good for their particular rent-seeking constituency.**** > > ** > That it is more broadly based than Twiggy, Gina and Clive doesn't really matter. In the long run it isn't good for us. > ** > > As I said before, there’s plenty of business people that have gone into > government (Thaksin, Berlusconi) that haven’t done anything particularly > good for the overall economy, which ultimately is what makes us all better > off.**** > > ** > In their case too, it's 'all about them' > ** > > Cheers**** > > Ken**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Paul Evrat > *Sent:* Thursday, 5 September 2013 11:58 AM > > *To:* 'ozDotNet' > *Subject:* RE: [OT] NBN revisited**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Lobbyists are always going to keep themselves busy but that just counters > the relentless lobbying by welfare groups for non-economy boosting > government spending. Unless you’re the big 4 banks or Coles or Woolworths > with monopolistic characteristics business is pretty tough even in good > times. **** > > ** ** > > Shouldn’t the car industry lobby for government support to keep some sort > of car manufacturing in Australia? **** > > ** ** > > Wouldn’t you want some sort of lobbying against government outsourcing IT > / coding to India etc? Or would that just be programmers trying to keep > things cosy for themselves ??!!**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer > *Sent:* Thursday, 5 September 2013 11:21 AM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* RE: [OT] NBN revisited**** > > ** ** > > I think you have a naïve view of what business lobbying is about then.**** > > Tax breaks or write-offs for “x”, import restrictions on “y”, government > grants for “z”**** > > ** ** > > Free markets are best for consumers (and best for business as a whole). It > just makes life hard for individual businesses, because it keeps them > honest. Which is why so many business people are forever calling for > government intervention to make their lives easier (maybe that’s what “a > decent playing field” is a euphemism for)**** > > ** ** > > Cheers**** > > Ken**** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Paul Evrat > *Sent:* Thursday, 5 September 2013 10:28 AM > *To:* 'ozDotNet' > *Subject:* RE: [OT] NBN revisited**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > True, Clive and his policies in total are a bit over the top but he knows > he’s not going to be PM, it will be a long time before there is other than > a Lib or Labor PM, but there are too many balls and chains around business > and economic progress at the moment and having a slightly over the top > pro-business minor party with some kick-arse influence would be > unprecedented (I think). Plus the current leaders on both sides are too > dull, boring and lame, it’s time for some colour and go-get-it influence.* > *** > > ** ** > > Agree that total free market is not good for business, the country is way > too small for that. But in terms of balancing business and welfare safety > nets Australia has the best chance. Don’t agree business are rent seekers, > they just want a decent playing field then for government to get out of the > way. That’s what business lobbying is about.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer > *Sent:* Thursday, 5 September 2013 9:26 AM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* RE: [OT] NBN revisited**** > > ** ** > > There are multiple ways to cook an egg. Clive’s policy platform isn’t > necessarily the best one.**** > > ** ** > > Pro “free market” (as opposed to “pro-business) is what’s generally best > for *consumers* (even though it’s not good for an individual business), > whereas business people tend to become “rent seekers” lobbying for favours > for their industries. Adam Smith noted something similar ~300 years ago in > the Wealth of Nations, and nothing’s changed.**** > > ** ** > > Silvio Berlusconi is an example of a successful businessman who’s > “pro-business” attitude didn’t really extend to making life better for the > general population.**** > > ** ** > > Cheers**** > > Ken **** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Paul Evrat > *Sent:* Thursday, 5 September 2013 8:37 AM > *To:* 'ozDotNet' > *Subject:* RE: [OT] NBN revisited**** > > ** ** > > Any pro-business force in parliament can only be good for the country. If > business isn’t doing well we can’t afford anything else .. **** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Tony Wright > *Sent:* Thursday, 5 September 2013 7:52 AM > *To:* 'ozDotNet' > *Subject:* RE: [OT] NBN revisited**** > > ** ** > > Oh I thought the only people ridiculous enough to vote for him were > Queenslanders.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Scott Barnes > *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 10:02 PM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: [OT] NBN revisited**** > > ** ** > > Is anyone else just a little bit curious to see Clive Palmer in Parliament > House or is that just me..**** > > ** ** > > I mean the comedic value alone is worth it > > On Wednesday, September 4, 2013, wrote:**** > > Well said…I believe Julian Assange would get my vote..i see honesty in > him…mmm..that could bring a change!**** > > **** > > Anthony**** > > Melbourne StuffUps…learn from others, share with others!**** > > http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Ideas-Incubator-Stuffups-Failed-Startups/* > *** > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > NOTICE : The information contained in this electronic mail message is > privileged and confidential, and is intended only for use of the addressee. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication > is strictly prohibited. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender > by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing > it. (*13POrtC*) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > **** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tony Wright > *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 6:02 PM > *To:* 'ozDotNet' > *Subject:* RE: [OT] NBN revisited**** > > **** > > **** > > Wow, he didn’t even know what the policies of his party were. I think I > know them better than he does!**** > > **** > > What are the 6 points of the 6 point Stop The Boats plan**** > > “Er, the first one is stop the boats”**** > > What are the other 5 points?**** > > “Er we plan to stop the boats”**** > > No, the other 5 points?**** > > “Er we plan to stop the boats”**** > > **** > > He should have said, well, so it’s a 6 point plan but all 6 points are to > stop the boats.**** > > **** > > What a vacuous bunch of pollie we have.**** > > **** > > Are these people worth $5? That’s how much our first preference vote is > worth together for the upper and lower house. I don’t think they’re worth > it. Mine isn’t going to Liberal or Labor. I’m finding someone closer to > what I believe in and voting for them first and then voting for the party I > want in. Why reward such mediocrity?**** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *[email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 4:11 PM > *To:* 'ozDotNet' > *Subject:* RE: [OT] NBN revisited**** > > **** > > Full interview of Jaymes Diaz, Liberal Candidate for > Greenway<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrQPXXHUilU> > this is pretty funny and disturbing video!**** > > **** > > This guy is pretty useless..this politick has no idea about anything…its > just a job he is going for…how do these people get into such roles…**** > > > > -- > --- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.riagenic.com**** > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6636 - Release Date: 09/03/13* > *** > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6636 - Release Date: 09/03/13* > *** > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6639 - Release Date: 09/04/13* > *** > -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. 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