Interesting point of history - expression web used to be called......<drum roll> Microsoft FrontPage.
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Scott Barnes <scott.bar...@gmail.com>wrote: > FYI: The Product Manager (just one) for Expression Web (Ed - previously > Adobe Dreamweaver) was one of the smarterst minds in devdiv and the team > writing the code behind that product were also equally up to the smarts.. > so for me I always wondered why so much great talent got mothballed... The > only thing that ruined Expression Web was the ass hats who control GPL > codes for the company and devdiv vs Windows stupidity spilling over. > > --- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.riagenic.com > > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Scott Barnes <scott.bar...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Moreover Adobe won.. really the core issue with Expression product line >> was it was built to take on Adobe to try and win over the hearts & minds of >> designers to the Microsoft tribe. Its why you'll search anything related to >> Silverlight/WPF/Expression between 2007-2009 usually has an Adobe or >> Microsoft Evangelist (myself included) punching it out over who's got the >> biggest digital ***** ... >> >> Adobe won... and when it came down to justifying Expression Web's future >> it had little to do with actual adoption (which didnt size very well) and >> also the funding stream for the product got caught up in the MSDN ledger >> codes.. >> >> In that MSDN argued that BEFORE Expression products came online the >> subscribers existed therefore why should they splice off a portion of the >> funding to score in the Expression team's coffers? even though the download >> numbers were in millions... to them anyone who downloaded were just simply >> kicking the tyres not doing anything with it... so now the Expression team >> were left to not only ask for more funding (keep the lights on per say) as >> a product line but they also had weak if not any income stream to pull from >> (hence you saw those really weird deals with Expression Studio and Windows) >> to try and stimulate outside MSDN purchases. >> >> Then Bizspark also came along and annihilated any chance of a non-MSDN >> subscriber from buying the product given if you were a start-up Microsoft >> would just hand you the MSDN subscription for free if all you did was >> provide them with an ABN or LLC (US). >> >> Inside Microsoft there are no free products.. if you have $0 income you >> better be standing before an executive of some sort every 3months >> explaining how your product made another product's adoption rates spike a >> little. If you can't show positive revenue or influence (with evidence >> depending on how dumb the executive you brief - with us we found Steve B >> not as bright as people paint) then you better start getting your LinkedIn >> profile up to date or making better friendships with another division. (It >> could be different now with the re-org but i've not heard much in the way >> of difference... if anything its a little more crazy given the companies in >> this weird SteveB is out caretaker mode). >> >> >> >> --- >> Regards, >> Scott Barnes >> http://www.riagenic.com >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Sam Lai <samuel....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I think they saw/foresaw that market disappear thanks to web apps and >>> services like Wordpress, Blogger and other 'CMS as a service' sites. >>> >>> To be honest, it has probably made the web a nicer looking and more >>> accessible place, lowering the barrier to entry substantially. For the rest >>> who prefer to code, they'd know about VS Express, VS, Webstorm, Eclipse, >>> Netbeans, Sublime Text, etc. >>> ------------------------------ >>> From: Greg Keogh <g...@mira.net> >>> Sent: 15/09/2013 6:04 PM >>> >>> To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> >>> Subject: Re: Expression Web >>> >>> It lost out due to Sharepoint Designer or whatever that has now >>>> mutated into and there was no point competing with Sharepoint Designer + VS >>>> Express as it just created way to much internal bad blood. >>>> >>> >>> But no home user, or low-tech user is going to ever see SharePoint >>> Designer or VS Express (I don't use either). The old FrontPage filled an >>> important product hole I thought and I really liked it back in 97-98 when >>> it arrived (at least it killed HotDog and similar crap). Then it quietly >>> disappeared and turned up mutated as Expression Web. Now it's gone again. >>> Has Microsoft simply abandoned the product line of "web design apps for >>> home users"? >>> >>> Greg K >>> >> >> > -- w: http://jcooney.net t: @josephcooney
