Adding Simon Hackett given there seems to be a lot of speculation as to his input here ..
:) On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Tony Wright <[email protected]> wrote: > “The price in other countries seems irrelevant. Those conditions don't > exist here, otherwise the service would exist already, and we wouldn't be > having this conversation.” > > Really? Are you saying that a global economy no longer matters? Wow, > astounding. Maybe they should build a fence around Australia to keep the > rest of the world out – they are a bit of a pain, after all. > > > > To answer your question in an appropriate way given the ongoing political > response to this deceptive line is that the cost for a deceptive Liberal > Party suggested single CVC that nobody would ever want, including most > businesses is $20,000 (maybe – I haven’t actually seen this figure anywhere > other than Malcolm’s comment). He’s absolutely right in that no individual > home would want one because it is a ridiculous political assertion. > > > > (Mind you, this is what is supposed to be in the NBN plan - > > The NBNCo Corporate Plan contains these examples on page 67: > * The 1Gbps AVC price will fall from $150 to $90 (40% decrease) while the > average speed increases from 30Mbps to 230Mbps (760% increase) > * CVC pricing starts at $20Mbps/month when average data usage is > 30GB/month and falls to $8/Mbps/month when average data usage is > 540GB/month. Price falls by 2.5 times, while the average data usage grows > by 18 times, which means 720% growth in revenue from CVC when accounting > for price falls. > > ) > > > > Or > > > > I believe I read in the draft NBN document that they were intending the > wholesale price to be $150 per month for a 1Gbps FTTH connection in > Australia. So the least deceptive answer is that you could have a 1Gbps > connection for $150 per month plus the cost of the ISP service. They didn’t > broadcast the fact because they assumed that everyone would expect the same > behaviour that they are getting from just about every single internet > connection in the country at the moment, and that is, you are likely to get > speeds of 1Gbps from your ISP and then you’ll share a pipe to the rest of > the net with the other customers of the ISP. > > > > > > Given that FTTN is going to suffer the exact same issue, do you think > Malcolm Turnbull is going to stand on a podium and declare that there is > also going to be capping or shaping within the new FTTN network? Oh, right, > I forgot, they’re untouchable. > > > > Here is Simon Hackett’s preference, by the way. I believe it’s pro fibre: > > http://simonhackett.com/2013/07/17/nbn-fibre-on-a-copper-budget/ > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Joseph Cooney > *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 November 2013 6:26 PM > > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* RE: NBN Petition > > > > The price in other countries seems irrelevant. Those conditions don't > exist here, otherwise the service would exist already, and we wouldn't be > having this conversation. > > So, given the distinction you've created between 'dedicated' and > 'continuous' what would the prices be for those two different types of > services under the NBN? > > On Nov 12, 2013 5:18 PM, "Tony Wright" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Not $20,000. > > > > There is a difference between “dedicated” and “a continuous 1Gbps stream > of data” > > > > A number of CVC lines are purchased. Data transmission is spread over the > entire lot. > > > > If you look at international prices, 1Gbps costs around $105 per month. In > Japan, it is possible to get a 2Gbps connection for $20 per month. > > > > So why would Australia cost $20,000 per month? Ridiculous. No one would > purchase it. So they would be forced to lower prices to a point where > they’d get people to open their wallets. > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Joseph Cooney > *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 November 2013 6:14 PM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* RE: NBN Petition > > > > I'm confused. What WOULD a dedicated gigabit connection cost under the NBN? > > On Nov 12, 2013 5:10 PM, "Tony Wright" <[email protected]> wrote: > > It was deceptive rubbish. > > > > He implied that it would cost $20,000 for every household. > > > > It’s a blatant lie. > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *David Connors > *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 November 2013 5:58 PM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: NBN Petition > > > > On 12 November 2013 15:51, Tony Wright <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > [ ... ] > > > > That is a typically deceptive political response and is a load of complete > Liberal Party BS and Malcolm Turnbull lost any credibility he had with me > when he said it. It won’t cost $20,000 a month for ANY household. A single > household never needs a continuous stream of data getting a maximum of > 1Gbps at all times, so it is shared among a whole bunch a households. So a > single CVC line might be split between 10 to 20 houses. > > > > There is nothing incorrect in what he said, 1gbps flat chat is $20K a > month wholesale. End of story. More over, that's *significantly more > expensive* than what you can buy today. > > > > If Joe Punter uses less, great for him, but a school or a SME might want > to use more. > > > > It begs the question, what is the average the NBN is designed for? Any > sort of application that involves bulk data transfers is out of bounds cost > wise - which is somewhat ironic. > > > > On top of this, CVC charges will have to come down over time due to > economy of scale. See: > http://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Projected.php > > Historically, transit pricing has dropped by around 1/3rd every year > since 1998. > > > > CVC and IP Transit are *completely different things*. NBN Co doesn't even > sell IP Transit. > > > > You need to pay for both. And you pay CVC even if the data is 'on net' and > never leaves your RSP (i.e. watching the TV or downloading freezone). > > > > CVC isn't going to go down ever because there is no incentive for it to as > competitive technologies are outlawed (except for LTE, etc) > > > > David. > >
