For more information, better in my opinion than you will get in a newspaper, check Paul Budde's short report at http://www.buddeblog.com.au/frompaulsdesk/analysis-of-nbn-2-0/
Ian Thomas Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Tony Wright<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: 19/12/2013 8:43 To: ozDotNet<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: NBN Petition Looks like my brother's calculations have been confirmed independently. See: http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/the-1b-difference-between-labors-and-the-new-nbn-and-the-big-catch-20131219-hv659.html The difference between the two NBNs is $1 billion and time. So what they are saying is that because they can build it earlier, they are happy to provide you all with a significantly inferior NBN with an exceptionally bad upgrade path to save $1 billion in the cost of the build. Because they can deliver earlier, they claim that they will make more money, which might be true if more people accept their version of an internet connection (I'm sceptical, and especially don't see any new customers magically coming out of the HFC network that wouldn't have otherwise got a connection anyway.) To me, this is an absolutely outrageous waste of money. The Liberals have validated the need for the NBN, and then have decided to spend almost as much money on their ridiculously bad version of the NBN delivering much slower speeds. This is not just incompetence. This is crooked. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Stephen Price <[email protected]>wrote: > Hah. My Telstra appointment for day was a fail. I was waiting on site, > called them to see how long they would be and was told it was postponed > till tomorrow. No call to let me know! > > They called me a min ago to confirm appointment for tomorrow (2 hrs after > the window 8-12 of today) and when I asked him about it he just hung up!! > Guess he figured I wouldn't spend the time on hold to complain. > Posted on twitter instead. > > Think a phone company would teach their staff how to pick up the phone? > On Dec 17, 2013 2:05 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Just a word of advice….I have been dealing with Opticomm for the last few >> weeks and wonder if they have any customer service at all? Its like a >> black hole of requests..ask them a question and you will never get an >> answer….a nightmare of support? This is what happens when a company >> becomes >> too large! >> >> >> >> Anthony >> >> Melbourne StuffUps…learn from others, share with others! >> >> http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Ideas-Incubator-Stuffups-Failed-Startups/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------ >> NOTICE : The information contained in this electronic mail message is >> privileged and confidential, and is intended only for use of the >> addressee. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication >> is >> strictly prohibited. >> If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender >> by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing >> it. (*13POrtC*) >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------- >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >> ] >> On Behalf Of Tony Wright >> Sent: Tuesday, 17 December 2013 9:12 AM >> To: 'ozDotNet' >> Subject: RE: NBN Petition >> >> >> >> Oh, I wasn’t sure what the point of the iiNet invoice was. >> >> >> >> I was more interested in what you were claiming about HFC/cable. >> >> >> >> One issue I have with cable is that the most productive members of the >> community using the Internet, the IT sector, have gradually, over the >> years, >> relocated themselves into high speed internet areas. The only high speed >> internet for the last 20 years has really been cable. So you’ve now got >> the >> people who can be the most economically productive with the internet >> constrained because their internet isn’t going to change. They can no >> longer >> get access to 1Gbps connections. Let’s be frank – from the IT sector’s >> point >> of view, it’s all about how fast we can transfer files around, whether >> they >> are content files, web sites, applications, databases, virtual machines, >> videos, or desktop or server backups, it doesn’t really matter. We just >> want >> them sent, and sent fast, and currently the time taken to do this takes so >> long that we end up copying large files to usb drives and delivering them >> ourselves, if we can’t wait a week for them to transfer. >> >> >> >> Another issue I have with cable is that the highest number of connections >> off a single cable is 32. You share your internet with 32 other customers >> and if they are large consumers of bandwidth, too bad for you – the >> capacity >> is constrained for that 32, and if you don’t like it, nothing is going to >> change it, you’re stuck with it. The alternative, fibre, doesn’t have this >> issue, because fibre is aggregated at the ISP. If there is too much >> contention, they can add another CVC pipe (and in Jon Dart’s email he >> says a >> CVC pipe could service a lot more than 3000 people in a large ISP). >> >> >> >> Another issue is that there is no upgrade path from cable to NBN. They >> spend >> all their time and money upgrading from DocSis 3.0 to 3.1 and they’re not >> going to want to come back. Anyone who is in the cable area is no longer >> going to have a node box at the end of the street. So the promise made >> before the election that you could pay $3000 to connect up to the full NBN >> is now gone. People in the cable areas have no ability to access 1Gbps >> internet and will not have for 20 years. I am 150 metres from the NBN and >> will no longer be able to pay for a connection because I am in a cable >> area. >> If the world moves to even faster internet, which is possible given the >> 10Gbps trials are still in progress in the UK, then we won’t be able to >> move >> to the higher speed. The Liberal NBN is simple not (small “a”) agile. >> Which >> for the money spent is a shocker. >> >> >> >> So the bottom line is, that’s why HFC sucks. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >> ] >> On Behalf Of David Connors >> Sent: Tuesday, 17 December 2013 12:04 AM >> To: ozDotNet >> Subject: Re: NBN Petition >> >> >> >> On 16 December 2013 22:33, Tony Wright <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> No, the fact that you went completely out of your way to shoot down the >> Labor NBN without a single critical word of the Liberal plan is what makes >> you partisan. >> >> >> >> Pretty sure I was critical of CVC charges, which inherently was a labor >> plan >> to keep it off the budget - which doesn't automatically make me a liberal >> shill, btw. >> >> >> >> By the way, I got an email from Jon Dart suggesting that CVC is still in. >> >> >> >> Yeah figured from the strategic review. So disappoint. >> >> >> >> The Libs talked about it greatly before the election and aligned >> themselves >> with the industry consensus. Then it isn't mentioned in the review. They >> get a F- in my books as a result - then again I said the whole plan from >> either party was shit from the get go. >> >> He also made the statement “it is assumed that instead of decommissioning >> the HFC networks, Telstra and/or Optus would transfer ownership of the >> network. They’re going to hand over the networks for no cost apparently. >> And >> $4 billion dollars to upgrade the system to FTTP in 13 years. Hmmm, >> believable. Not. >> >> I have no idea in that regard and have to wait until a deal is done as >> we're >> well into the territory of guessing. >> >> >> >> Previously T and Optus were going to give up 100% of their IP related HFC >> revenue under the existing agreements. I *doubt* they give a shit if NBN >> Co >> tries to do a few fibre drops down a street to lower end user contention >> (at >> the last mile, while leaving massive contention at the network core lulz). >> The Commonwealth can't reneg on the existing commitments, but they can >> certainly drag their feet and make life damned hard for the telcos. I >> suspect they will want settlement under existing terms as expeditiously as >> possibly for the sake of their shareholders/continued employment. >> >> >> >> We will see what happens. Either way, I'm nonplussed. >> >> >> >> BTW, bonus points for the nice dodge on my last post about iiNets likely >> invoices from NBN Co. As Ken says, it is kind of like climate change when >> you think about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo >> >> >> >> No, really. >> >> >> >> David. >> >> >> >>
