'As far as losing weight goes it is all about calories' Read The Case Against Sugar or Pure White and Deadly, or watch That Sugar Film, or The Men That Made Us Fat. They all make the point that the basic biochemistry (which is well established) *absolutely* disagrees with this. Fat, glucose and fructose all have very different pathways for metabolism, which makes a lie of the 'calorie is a calorie' mantra (itself accused of being an invention of the sugar industry). In That Sugar Film (admittedly a sample size of one) he puts on significant weight without changing total calorific intake, by swapping fat for sugar (and explains why).
I take everything I read highly skeptically, but in particular The Case Against Sugar is very comprehensively argued and well worth reading. The historical context is particularly damming. On 20 Jun. 2017 08:53, "Bec C" <[email protected]> wrote: > You can be an idiot on any diet. I wouldn't believe everything you read > either. I've seen studies that totally contradict each other. > > Just for the record I'm not actually vegan. I tried it a few years ago. > > As far as losing weight goes it is all about calories. Being healthy is a > whole different thing. > > Anyway too off topic now > > On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Piers Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > >> OOTT: At the risk of starting a flame war, I'm going to call shenanigans >> on this one (sorry Bec). Whilst most vegans probably have very healthy >> diets (due to increased awareness of what they eat) there's nothing >> inherent in veganism that actually ensures this, as a quick scan down the >> vegan society pages confirms: https://www.vegansociety.com/r >> esources/lifestyle/food-and-drink. Plenty of sugary treats in that list >> described as vegan, even beans on toast is packed with the stuff. >> >> It's *not* about the calories. https://www.theguard >> ian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lust >> ig-john-yudkin >> >> OOTT= off off-topic topic >> >> On 20 Jun. 2017 06:29, "Bec C" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yep that podcast is fairly good. Veganism also works for losing weight, >>> very hard to eat excess calories on a vegan diet. >>> >>> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Stephen Price <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Totally agree on this point. I've been ketogenic for six months now >>>> (lost 6kg in the first month, have plateaued now but feel great). Some .net >>>> people may know Carl Franklin's been podcasting at 2ketodudes.com, and >>>> he's done an awesome job recording his progress. 6 months and he lost 80lb >>>> and is no longer type 2 diabetic. >>>> Got so much out of it, I backed his kickstarter project to turn his >>>> town keto for a weekend. Flying out with my wife in a couple of weeks. Will >>>> be seeing the sights in New York, then up to New London for ketofest. >>>> Btw, you don't have to be over weight to suffer the damaging effects of >>>> too much carbs/sugar. The inflammatory damage in your veins can't be seen >>>> from the outside. >>>> >>>> One of the strange side effects I have noticed is that some days I >>>> forget to eat. Today, I had accidentally turned off my alarm so was running >>>> a bit late. Went to work with no breakfast, had one coffee at work, and >>>> worked right through lunch as I hadn't taken anything and office is a bit >>>> of a drive from places to eat. Barely noticed. >>>> Don't miss sugar. Finding some awesome recipes along the way. Recently >>>> made deep fried chicken crumbed in pork rinds combined with Parmesan >>>> cheese. >>>> So good. Hmm... this might possibly be the first recipe shared on this >>>> elist. :) >>>> >>>> Anyway to keep on topic, had a standup desk and my last project, one of >>>> those motorised ones. Great for exercise and strengthening but not losing >>>> weight. What you put in your body has way more effect in that regard. You >>>> can lose weight with zero exercise, but exercise is important for other >>>> reasons. I.e. Preventing muscles wasting away. If you don't use it, you >>>> lose it. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Stephen >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>> on behalf of Piers Williams <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 19, 2017 8:46:35 PM >>>> *To:* ozDotNet >>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Sit/stand desk results >>>> >>>> There are quite a few people in my office now using sit-to-stand desks. >>>> I sent a scary article around about a year or so ago about the health >>>> issues, but I think it's mostly the availability of reasonable quality >>>> converters (Varidesk etc) that's really changed things. >>>> >>>> I'm between offices too much to have one myself (I'd need 3), so I just >>>> concentrate on having a regular walk around the office instead, and having >>>> all meetings as stand ups. And - on the insulin front - be sure to read up >>>> on (and cut down on) the sugar that's crammed into everything these days. >>>> >>>> On 19 Jun. 2017 14:33, "Tony Wright" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Tom, >>>>> >>>>> No, not the back for me. They say that your body stops regulating >>>>> insulin properly after 4 hours of sitting, and that's about when I was >>>>> feeling unwell/lethargic from sitting. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Tony >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Tom Rutter <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Did you switch to this for a specific reason (lower back problem for >>>>>> example)? If so did this help at all in a noticeable way? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, 19 June 2017, Tony Wright <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Tom, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It changes for me. Sometimes I stand, sometimes I sit. If I feel >>>>>>> that I've been sitting for too long, I hit the buttons and stand for a >>>>>>> while. I'm not regretful for one second that I have the option. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Tony >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Tom Rutter <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey folks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I recall a while ago discussion into sit/stand desks and was >>>>>>>> interested in how people went with this setup. Did those that tried >>>>>>>> standing get any good (or bad) results? Are they still doing it or went >>>>>>>> back to only sitting? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>
