For want of words,
I'll just say thankyou,
Megan.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rhonda
Sent: Wednesday, 6 November 2002 1:05
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Interesting fact

 
Well Megan,
 
I guess the only way to really understand is this..
 
I can honestly and acceptingly say (as I cannot change what has happened and I have dealt with it in my own way)
 
There are 2 most terrifying and catagorically worst days of my life - Days I would do anything to change and to undo in some way.
 - one where I was on the brink of death and l was so frightened that I thought it could get no worse (the birth of my daughter).
The second was the worst form of torture, humiliation, fear, confusion and the absolutly most soul destroying 24 hours of my life - the day my son was born.
So I can love my children and be thankful that they are here with us and I would not ever regret having them but in my heart I grieve on their birthdays.  Outwardly we celebrate but inside a terrible memory looms. 
 
So think of the one single moment in your life that you could say you thought things could get no worse - and magnify it by 100 times.  Then have everyone tell you to be thankful for it and to not think about it and to be glad about it. 
 
How absurd -what if we told those who were traumatised by the Bali bombing or Sept 11 "It's only post bombing depression - get over it!"  Nobody would dare say it but women every day live with the pain and horror of violation and torture and there are few comforting words.   They don't get counseling and comfort and understanding, women who are tortured at our own doorsteps in places where we expect to be helped, not hurt and humiliated are told to "get over it" or "It's only post natal depression".
Some how we think that having a lovely baby makes up for it - "IT DOESN'T"
I was so devastated by the birth of my son that i have absolutely no memory of his first 6 months of life. All I actually remember doing is crying - alone while he slept - I would curl up and cry.  When i wasn't crying I just existed and did what needed to be done.  I finally realised that i could not let them steal my soul and I "got over it" and I started to live again but I don't remember anything about him in that time.  I look at photo's I took and don't remember taking them.  How many women go home from hospitals a mere shell - just existing in a used and abused body, some how the spark is blown out and to relight it can take a lot of matches!
 
Sorry to be so morbid but I think to be able to help women we need to address this as a real issue and not just label it "post natal depression.' and find the cause and say " we are trying to stop it happening."
I think a lot more needs to be done to help the women who have already suffered and who are suffering now.  To accept that it has happened and to let them talk about it as freely as women who talk about their empowering and lovely births is a major step.  Nobody blinks an eye when somebody says they had a lovely birth experience.  in general people turn away if a woman starts to express that she has had a truamatic one.   This is a social stigma for many women.
 
I'll get off my soap box now.
 
Please don't take any offence - I know many of you save women daily from this sort of thing and you do a wonderful job but we sometimes need to remember that it is still happening.  If I can put into words what other women bottle up and that helps just one person to understand than I light just one more match formy own spark.
 
Regards
Rhonda
 

Happiness lies for those who cry, those who hurt, those who
have searched, and those who have tried. For only they can
appreciate the importance of people who have touched their lives.

Unknown.

 
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Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 00:26:13
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Interesting fact
 
Did anyone watch New Dimensions- Health, tonight on ABC. It was on post traumatic stress disorder experienced by woman during childbirth. It was only short but had a wonderful midwife say some very great things like, "a woman should be able to walk in off the street in labour and expect to be treated with sensitivity and support"(words to that effect).
on another note it looks like MDA, also on ABC, will have a woman (regular character on the show) choosing to birth with a midwife, even mentioned the word "philosophy", can't wait to see how they do it.
cheers
Megan.
PS I do not want to detract from the point of your e-mail Jo and Rhonda, I have no idea how you feel, I can only try to understand.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jo & Dean Bainbridge
Sent: Tuesday, 5 November 2002 9:31
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"For me the reality of empowering, exciting, even painful yet wonderful birth is just as much a fairy tale."
 
I am saddened to the core of my womanhood reading these words.
 
The pain that women who have bad cs experiences is under estimated by so many.
 
Jo Bainbridge
founding member CARES SA
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: 08 8388 6918
birth with trust, faith & love...
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From: Rhonda
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting fact

 
Oh so sorry to be like that but gee - my first was an emergency c/s at 27 weeks and the second was 24 hours of abuse by the most horrible ob on the face of the earth while in labour and then after the 24 hour of emotional torture the physical assult of a brutal c/s which left me stapled up crooked and bruised for 10 weeks.
I guess sleeping seemed a better option to me.
For me the reality of empowering, exciting, even painful yet wonderful birth is just as much a fairy tale.
 
Rhonda 
 
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Date: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 16:31:13
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting fact
 
So glad I'm human (well, sort of human, I believe!)! Labour and birth is intense, painful, exciting, challenging, wonderful, excruciating, and lots more, including orgasmic. Nothing else is like it, in the world and I wouldn't have missed a second of it for quids! What a way to present your Darlings to the world and make you realise what a huge thing it is to bring a person to the planet.
Aviva
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From: Debby M
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting fact



Oh I don't know, I wouldn't have missed my last birth for the world, it was a wonderful exciting experience - could have done without the last few weeks of pregnancy though.
 
Waking up to find a baby, I must admit sounds a bit c-sectionish to me - wake up - here's bub - God I wonder if they have given me the right one - although I suppose grizzly bears don't have this concern as they are not sharing their maternity ward with any other bears :-)
 
 
 
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