RE: [ozmidwifery] dimensions - violent birth

[Vicki Chan]

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Something I like to do for Ceasarean born babies...and breech born too...is spend time massaging the babe from crown down (for some reason, I went to write 'song-lines'here...interesting...) the body to the toes, making sure every part of the body is stimulated...simulating the passage through the vagina... the mothers have felt very good about doing this themselves...a gift to their child... Vicki -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of elizabeth mcalpine Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:13 PM To: ozmidwifery Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] dimensions - violent birth Thanks to whoever sent the transcript.    I have since inundated the ABC dimensions with my comments and request for help to get the message across. aaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhh!!!!!   Its just too much to bear sometimes.   Just yesterday, a fellow student and I were chatting after doing some work.   She has a 15 yr old. Horrible, violent birth (the usual)  After about 18 months, she returned to the hospital to discuss what had happened to her.  That helped her a bit but she still grieves.   No more children followed.   In actual fact, I make it a point to know birth stories from every woman I know - (I should collect them for a book or something)   Oh and here's another.   Discussing NMAP, violent birth vs humanized birth etc. as usual with all and sundry.... one woman at work was listening so intently and I thought, "hello, there's something here". On asking, it turned out that her third child, at full dilatation had cord prolapse.  Big emergency, she said.  Upside down and then hauled out with forceps. She was advised my a very wise woman, to provide excess sensory stimulation to enable/create neurophysiological recovery caused by damage due to forceps. Very thankful she did that, because as a toddler it helped him develop normally. He's 18 now, but has a very 'dark' side. ie suicidal thoughts.   Liz Mc