Ann I do understand the trials of lowe supply and continual expressing etc. However you inferred that it might ??be better than abuse. With my second child I had low supply and post natal depression and I remember clearly bying into to the whole if I were a better mother I wouldnt use a dummy. This child lived at my breast. From him on I realised that my children love sucking, my five year old still wrecks his t shirts by chewing sucking onm them and he was an easy much loved baby who fed two hourly for 18months which I loved owing to my poor previous experience. In the big picture I think we should judge less and support more. what we do we do with love. I think dogmatic ideologies of good and bad is as bad when presented by the medical profession as it is by midwives or well meaning women. Belinda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] thumb or dummy!?
> Dear Belinda, > I was not trying to be offensive.I was trying to say > that if a baby was crying that it was better to give a > dummy than the parents becoming frustrated and harming > the child.This does not mean that parents using > dummies are lazy.I was blessed to have babies that had > enough suckling at the breast(or a bottle of E.B.M > which was needed for babes 4,5, and 6 for between 4-6 > months until they were able to feed at the breast,a > long hard haul for everyone -imagine expressing milk > for this amount of time with no idea of when it will > finish, sorry off the topic)Ann--- Belinda Maier > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ann the better than > abuse thing is very offensive. > > My children have > > breastfed for >two years are smart loved and > > emotionally well developed. > > They also had dummies apart from my two year old who > > sucks her thumb. They > > all had a strong desire to suck and the dummy gave > > them comfort as well as > > the two and more hour feeding at the breastfed my > > children also have healthy > > teeth. I am not slack or abusive and it really > > annoys me when judgements are > > made about dummies thumbs to use or not based on > > what one does for ones own. > > Choices are choices based on what a woman feels is > > best for her child. > > Michel ODent wrote an article on transcendental > > objects and said that their > > use is actually a sign of emotional stability, > > feeling ok enough to form > > attachments to such things. I used to allow myself > > to be made to feel bad as > > a mother because of my eldest use of a dummy, then > > my close friends son died > > of a brain tumour at two years old and her older > > daughter who had never used > > a dummy (because she bought into the whole its such > > a bad mothering thing to > > do) started to use one and did so until she was nine > > years old. She now says > > there are more important things about mothering than > > stressing about what > > others think you should be doing. By the way her > > daughters teeth are > > fine.The whole I.Q. research needs to be closely > > looked at for methodology > > and socioeconomic status of participants, parenting > > styles etc for it to be > > worth generalising. I get really fed up with peoples > > discourses of good > > mother bad mother, it brings down the confidence of > > many a "good" mother. > > Belinda, mother > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ann green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] thumb or dummy!? > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > Research was suppose to have shown that the use of > > > dummies was associated with a lower I.Q.I have not > > > used a dummy but understand that for some parents > > it > > > might be a better choice than abuse.None of my 6 > > > children have sucked thumbs either!Ann --- Jo > > Slamen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thumbs > > > allegedly don't affect teeth unless still in > > > > use at the age of permanent teeth coming > > through. > > > > My teeth are straight (no orthodontic work) and > > I > > > > was a thumb sucker - so much so that I had a > > callous > > > > on my thumb as a young child - stopped when I > > > > started primary school. > > > > > > > > My almost 4yo also a thumb child - his baby > > teeth > > > > are pretty ok looking and I find his thumb use > > is > > > > still useful for going to bed and getting him to > > > > sleep. > > > > > > > > Would also imagine trying to swap baby to a > > dummy > > > > probably won't work. I would relax about the > > thumb > > > > - does not indicate any emotional problems and > > it's > > > > likely to be in use for comfort rather than > > teething > > > > too, I believe. > > > > > > > > And just to add some personal bias I think > > thumbs > > > > look better than dummies too! > > > > > > > > Jo Slamen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: J Stewart > > > > To: ozmid > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:12 AM > > > > Subject: [ozmidwifery] thumb or dummy!? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List(s)! > > > > > > > > Just looking for a little bit of general > > advice on > > > > an old debate! > > > > I have a six month old baby cousin [very > > cute!] > > > > she has taken to sucking her thumb as she is > > > > starting to get some toothy pegs! and her mum is > > not > > > > in favour of giving her a dummy. I was wondering > > > > what opinions are on this? I would think that > > > > sucking thumbs could effect tooth development > > and > > > > the direction/position in which they grow, as > > well > > > > as forming a hard to kick habbit in todlers, but > > > > have also heard interesting points against > > dummies. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts!? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Jessica. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > -- > > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe > > or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe > > or unsubscribe. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. 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