As to your conundrum I suggest to women they need to treat childbirth as an intelligent car purchase ! Read about all options of birth from various sources, including analysis by maternity consumer organisations the equivalent of NMRA car of the year reports Decide on what you want and most women want a natural birth that is positive. Then look and ask about the outcomes of the various retailers of maternity services, (that is why we need a good birth guide, though we have it really in the birth stats).
Drs have high rates of interventionist births, PND poor rates of breastfeeding Go to the one who ha Like deciding on a Holden - you do not then go to a Ford dealer? Two things all Antenatal educators need to do is Talk about Infomred consent and Bullying Give them out HCCC leaflet "How to get the best from your health care" Have books to lend on Bullying Similarly Midwives need to become familiar with these approaches and stop contributing to the bullying culture and support women and families need to make and be supported in Informed Choices! Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo & Dean Bainbridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] C.section education to do or not to do? > Some very interesting threads have come from my posting and I would like to > make some comments about them: > So many times when I speak to women through CARES they say they didn't read > the cs bit or didn't listen during the classes cause "it is not going to > happen to me". This causes a great personal conflict because they feel they > were ignorant to the chances of having a cs. But why should we not go into > birthing our children thinking we don't need a cs?? It is a bit of a > conundrum really; do we remain adamant it wont happen to me or is it > ignorant that it wont happen to me? The stats are a clear 1 in 4 (or 1 in 3 > here in SA). > I have been guilty of being annoyed by those classes that treat cs > information as a 'norm' in birth....but in reality it is! So do we increase > the focus on cs during classes so women are very informed or do we continue > to leave it as a side issue and leave those 1 in 4 women with minimal > information? I have no answers to this or opinion (other than I wish it > wasn't the norm) just wanted to extend the conversation. > > The classes specific to CS and VBAC is again an interesting topic: you only > have to read the wonderful booklet Jackie did on cs birth experience to know > you can not fully inform women in one class. For those women who have to > have cs (nervously including those who just want one, although there are > separate issues there) intensive classes on cs with full explanations of > the risks short term and long term, ways to make a cs a positive cs, care > after a cs (care after you get home), and choices after a cs should all be > discussed at great length. the problem with having a class like this is > that you need to make a cs sound like it is not the end of the world to > those who really don't want one but need one, but not make it so 'good' that > it falsely enforces to those just wanting one that they are the best option. > perhaps there could be a guest speaker, a vbacer, that can chat to women > that yes a cs can be a positive experience but a vag birth is wonderful too! > Any thoughts on this? > VBAC classes are a necessity in my mind. Until vbac is truly considered no > different to a normal vag birth, then vbac should be treated with the utmost > care and consideration. Women need to know things about the emotional > issues, the physical issues, the policy and political issues and the TRUE > risk (note the singular risk, not risks) associated with vbac. Doctors AND > midwives who are not vbac supportive should be kept away from vbacs. Too > many times I have heard the most ludicrous statements about the risks of > vbac and sadly a great number of them are from midwives. I have heaps to > say about vbac classes but wont go into them here and now...this is long > enough as it is. > Any comments? > > Jo Bainbridge > founding member CARES SA > www.cares-sa.org.au > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > phone: 08 8388 6918 > birth with trust, faith & love... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alesa Koziol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] C.section education to do or not to do? > > > > Dear Justine > > re your comments > > ...................."So I am glad I am not an educator. The challenge if > I > > was one would be to help women understand why 1 in 4 births are currently > > resulting in caesarean section and at the same time why only 1 or so in 10 > > should!" > > > > Yes it is a challenge, but one which educators embrace. It is therefore > > satisfying when a class evaluation states that the information found to be > > most useful was "learning that C/S is major surgery and not to be taken > > lightly". This I received following a class on the weekend, and reinforces > > that we must provide thorough C/S info-not minifism it (love this new > > word!!) > > Cheers > > Alesa > > > > > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. 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