Sorry some lapses not picked up by my sleepy head ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] C.section education to do or not to do?
> As to your conundrum > I suggest to women they need to treat childbirth as an intelligent car > purchase ! > Read about all options of birth from various sources, including analysis by > maternity consumer organisations the equivalent of NMRA car of the year > reports > Decide on what you want and most women want a natural birth that is > positive. > Then look and ask about the outcomes of the various retailers of maternity > services, (that is why we need a good birth guide, though we have it really > in the birth stats). > > Drs have higher rates of interventionist births, PND poorER rates of > breastfeeding > Go to the one who DELIVERS THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE LEVELS OF THE OUTCOMES YOU WANT! > > Like deciding on a Holden - you do not then go to a Ford dealer? > > Two things all Antenatal educators need to do is Talk about Infomred consent > and Bullying > Give them out HCCC leaflet > "How to get the best from your health care" > Have books to lend on Bullying > > Similarly Midwives need to become familiar with these approaches and stop > contributing to the bullying culture and support women and families need to > make and be supported in Informed Choices! > > Denise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jo & Dean Bainbridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] C.section education to do or not to do? > > > > Some very interesting threads have come from my posting and I would like > to > > make some comments about them: > > So many times when I speak to women through CARES they say they didn't > read > > the cs bit or didn't listen during the classes cause "it is not going to > > happen to me". This causes a great personal conflict because they feel > they > > were ignorant to the chances of having a cs. But why should we not go > into > > birthing our children thinking we don't need a cs?? It is a bit of a > > conundrum really; do we remain adamant it wont happen to me or is it > > ignorant that it wont happen to me? The stats are a clear 1 in 4 (or 1 in > 3 > > here in SA). > > I have been guilty of being annoyed by those classes that treat cs > > information as a 'norm' in birth....but in reality it is! So do we > increase > > the focus on cs during classes so women are very informed or do we > continue > > to leave it as a side issue and leave those 1 in 4 women with minimal > > information? I have no answers to this or opinion (other than I wish it > > wasn't the norm) just wanted to extend the conversation. > > > > The classes specific to CS and VBAC is again an interesting topic: you > only > > have to read the wonderful booklet Jackie did on cs birth experience to > know > > you can not fully inform women in one class. For those women who have to > > have cs (nervously including those who just want one, although there are > > separate issues there) intensive classes on cs with full explanations of > > the risks short term and long term, ways to make a cs a positive cs, care > > after a cs (care after you get home), and choices after a cs should all be > > discussed at great length. the problem with having a class like this is > > that you need to make a cs sound like it is not the end of the world to > > those who really don't want one but need one, but not make it so 'good' > that > > it falsely enforces to those just wanting one that they are the best > option. > > perhaps there could be a guest speaker, a vbacer, that can chat to women > > that yes a cs can be a positive experience but a vag birth is wonderful > too! > > Any thoughts on this? > > VBAC classes are a necessity in my mind. Until vbac is truly considered > no > > different to a normal vag birth, then vbac should be treated with the > utmost > > care and consideration. Women need to know things about the emotional > > issues, the physical issues, the policy and political issues and the TRUE > > risk (note the singular risk, not risks) associated with vbac. Doctors > AND > > midwives who are not vbac supportive should be kept away from vbacs. Too > > many times I have heard the most ludicrous statements about the risks of > > vbac and sadly a great number of them are from midwives. I have heaps to > > say about vbac classes but wont go into them here and now...this is long > > enough as it is. > > Any comments? > > > > Jo Bainbridge > > founding member CARES SA > > www.cares-sa.org.au > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > phone: 08 8388 6918 > > birth with trust, faith & love... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alesa Koziol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] C.section education to do or not to do? > > > > > > > Dear Justine > > > re your comments > > > ...................."So I am glad I am not an educator. The challenge > if > > I > > > was one would be to help women understand why 1 in 4 births are > currently > > > resulting in caesarean section and at the same time why only 1 or so in > 10 > > > should!" > > > > > > Yes it is a challenge, but one which educators embrace. It is therefore > > > satisfying when a class evaluation states that the information found to > be > > > most useful was "learning that C/S is major surgery and not to be taken > > > lightly". This I received following a class on the weekend, and > reinforces > > > that we must provide thorough C/S info-not minifism it (love this new > > > word!!) > > > Cheers > > > Alesa > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
