<Show some pictures Lyn and they'll simply counter with their own messy pictures of tears and shoulder dystocia>
I know full well that is just what they would do...sigh. I remember the 'classic' photos from Beischer and Mackay - few of those should do the trick to put even more fear into women of vaginal birth. I have been reading some fascinating stuff this morning about plastic bodies and how women are having their bodies remodelled (literally through plastic and cosmetic surgery) but there are so many paralells to birth in this literature - how women's bodies are being remodelled in relation to birth and also how birth is being remodelled through the desires of medicine, midwifery, insurance and women. What was it Caroline Hastie once said? (I think it was her - hello if you are out there!) - that it takes about 20 years for something to become accepted as normal (fad ->, fashion->, trend ->, accepted and acceptable - ergo, normal). More about the plastic bodies later if anyone is interested - haven't finished the articles yet! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] C/S in Sydney Morning Herald > Yes, I could hardly believe my ears when the obs told us about this trial > recently, and I specifically > rejoined the list to see what was happening. Show some pictures Lyn and > they'll simply counter with their own > messy pictures of tears and shoulder dystocia. No we need to focus on how > only a mother can draw > on all her strength and experience the wonder of birth. Anyone can have > major abdo surgery, but only > a mother can labour, discover what a strong person she is and feel that > connection with women through > the ages. The medical director coldly told me how much cheaper it would be > having eluscs as opposed to emergency 0200, yes but what about all the PND, > troubled breast feeding, poor bonding and troubled teens. Let's see how much > that costs! Not to mention, it would only take a bad batch of sterile > supplies and we could > potentially lose a few mums. > > Best of luck in countering this abhorrent research > > Sandra > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynne Staff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:45 AM > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] C/S in Sydney Morning Herald > > > > "there is this trial which gives you a 50-50 chance of totally avoiding > all > > this pain........" > > A father-to-be I saw the other day, whose wife has had 2 caesareans (and > is > > having the devil of a time finding anyone to support her for a planned > > vaginal birth), made the very pertinent point that 'natural' (read > vaginal) > > birth is ALWAYS portrayed as the worst pain a woman can ever have - too > > terrible to contemplate, unbearable and totally avoidable, while the > > portrayal of caesarean birth is ALWAYS pain-free, peaceful, smiles all > > round.....etc > > > > Should publish some photos/stories of infected wounds, blood loss, how > women > > vomit when their uterus is pulled outside their abdominal cavity, because > it > > is easier to suture, the trouble they have accessing their babies because > of > > the physical limitation of spinals and post-op pain (although that is > > becoming such an art that it is very 'manageable' nowadays), babies with > > lacerations on their face or buttocks, babies on oxygen, sometimes for a > > week, and the separation that goes with that....as you can see this is a > > sore point with me. > > > > This trial disturbs me greatly for many reasons - but it's not just the > > trial (although if the findings are that women like it better, that it is > as > > safe), then God help us! The wholehearted embracing of the findings of the > > term breech trial (which scares the living daylights out of me) will pale > > into significance compared to this (and the findings from the term breech > > trial will be no doubt used to substantiate the rationale of this trial in > > the first place........) > > > > As I see it, one of the biggest probblems is the way information is > provided > > to the women in any 'obstetric' situation. I can imagine the way the > > information will be provided for this. Major heebeejeebies. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neretlis, Bethany" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:38 PM > > Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] C/S in Sydney Morning Herald > > > > > > > we have been discussing this article too, or an offshoot from perth. it > > seems to me to be a further automatic kneejerk reaction to litigation from > > those experts at strange who are from the usa. i can just see some > insurance > > company paying for this research, and unfortunately i can even see some > > women being manovoured into it. can't you see some ob. finding a scared > > pregnant woman who is vasilating over whether she wants to suffer pain in > > labour and saying "there is this trial which gives you a 50-50 chance of > > totally avoiding all this pain........" it just makes you cry. i have run > > into this attitude towards vaginal birth amoung surgeons and anaethatists > > when i worked in theatre so its not too far a stretch of the imagination > to > > see where this came from. just the idea of someone being serious aout this > > research gives me the heeijeebies. it would be sooooo immoral to do this > to > > women. i'm sure that the researchers could somehow write it to pass an > > ethics board, how i don't know, but they'd get some ethics lawyer involved > > and before you know it , white isn't white at all, its black. > > > > > > love Bethany > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Justine Caines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, 17 October 2003 16:00 > > > To: OzMid List > > > Subject: [ozmidwifery] C/S in Sydney Morning Herald > > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > The SMH have confirmed the following letter will appear in tomorrow's > > paper. > > > > > > Justine > > > > > > > > > As soon as safety is mentioned in obstetrics by Obstetricians there's a > > mad rush. > > > > > > What they neglect to inform us is that many of their practices are not > > based on evidence and that despite huge medical intervention, safety has > not > > improved in Australia. In fact the latest data on maternal deaths saw an > > increase. This study represents a very sad fringe of the medical > > profession. > > > > > > A woman is 4-5 times more likely to die from a caesarean section than > from > > a normal vaginal birth. A figure quoted in the last Senate Committee > report > > into childbirth procedures. It is also well noted that surgical > > intervention in birth increases post-natal depression. With a C/S rate > 2.5 > > times higher than the World Health Organisation recommends, high > incidences > > of post-natal depression and no report into what seems to be a high > > incidence of maternal morbidity, this study would be highly unethical and > a > > denial of a woman's most basic human right. > > > -- > > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
