Ah, Marilyn, I like that word 'reframing' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Kleidon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pain threshold
> I had an interesting experience with a young couple in labour ward the other > week. They were private patients and were quite primed for the epidural etc > (and had been just threatened with a c/s for PROM) and had already received > one dose of pethidine before handover, to me. It was obviously early labour > and was starting to pick up. Anyway as this young mum was starting to > struggle througgh her pethidine haze, I gave them a little talk about > welcoming the contractions and that oxytocin was the love hormone > encouraging them to caress and dance and him to massage and soothe her pain. > They went for it with only a little bit of encouragement from me from time > to time. She still had the epidural but she had been under a time line from > her private ob and she passed it and ended up with a vaginal birth: he > thought it was his threat of the c/s, I think it was my encouragement of > enjoyment. Reframing is what we need in a nutshell. > > marilyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heartlogic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 4:57 PM > Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pain threshold > > > > Hi Diane, > > > > It's great to see these principles being taught so well. They do work when > > the necessary diligence is applied and the principles are being validated > by > > neuroscience (at last). > > > > All we humans are hypnotising ourselves all the time (or being hypnotised > by > > mass media) and it is about time we learnt how to self talk (hypnotise) > > ourselves for outcomes we desire and work with our biological > intelligence, > > rather than against it. Fear (adrenalin, cortisol in excess etc) is such a > > powerful disruptor of healthy/normal biological functioning. Increasing > > prefrontal cortex activity helps people feel safe and over ride amygdala > > hijacks. > > > > see > > > > http://edition.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/11/07/brain.fear/index.html > > > > and > > > > http://edition.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/10/09/ego.pain.ap/index.html > > > > for a quick summary. > > > > Brain research is fascinating, liberating and exciting. It is busy > > validating what adepts and mystics (and people like Grantley Dick Read) > have > > told us for ages. > > > > Brain research is also validating the value of story telling in midwifery > > care, getting women together, enjoying food together "kitchen table > wisdom", > > defusing women's fears and providing the kind of environment that enables > > undisturbed birth. It takes 'soft' data and makes it 'hard' - isn't that a > > funny metaphor for information? especially when applied to women's birth > > processes ;-) > > > > And a point of clarity? Is it pain threshold or tolerance or reframing? > > It seems to me that all of us go ouch when stuck with a pin, self talk can > > help us change our perception and reaction therefore our experience of > > phenomena. Just philosophising and musing. Perception and attitude are > > everything in my mind. > > > > in solidarity (thanks Justine) > > > > Carolyn Hastie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Diane Gardner > > Sent: Sunday, 26 October 2003 10:41 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pain threshold > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl > > > > I work with HypnoBirthing (a method that a woman uses to put herself into > > self hypnosis while she is in labour). I have been a part of many births > > with couples and I know that the mind definitely has control of the > > sensation the body will feel. Many of my mums feel only pressure and they > > are awake and in control of their birthing. I have not had one negative > > birth story since I started practicing 3 years ago even when medical > > intervention was needed. The relaxation and breathing still continues even > > if medical intevention is required, although that doesn't happen anywhere > > near as often. > > > > I did have one that didn't have as much success. It was a mum who had her > > own business at home and WORKED long hours right up until she went into > > labour. I had my doubts when she was in her classes that she would have > all > > the necessary rest her body and baby needed and that she would practice so > > that the relaxation process it would become automatic. > > > > The concept of HypnoBirthing came from an English Obstetricial, Grantly > Dick > > Read who back in the 1912-14 wanted to know why some women went into > labour > > and gave birth with no fuss while others suffered excruciating pain. His > > research showed that the ones who trusted in the natural function of their > > body and relaxed would give birth with no fuss and they did. Mind you he > was > > nearly thrown out of his profession because of his "outrageous ideas". Are > > they so outrageous? I know they aren't. I've seen that they aren't. > > > > He wrote the book "Childbirth Without Fear" that was first published in > 1944 > > and reading it today it is still totally relevant althought the old > > fashioned languaging makes me smile. > > > > The program is trained here in Australia by Peter Jackson, in Bowral NSW, > > who is himself a midwife and last week in his training he had 14 midwives > > amongst the participants! They had seen HypnoBirthing in practice and > wanted > > to be able to use it to help women in labour. Even for women haven't gone > > through the program, the breathing and relaxation can help tremendously. > The > > US site where it originated is www.hypnobirthing.com. Many stories up > there > > of the successes. > > > > You have to ask why in China, Africa, India and other 3rd world countries, > > do mothers give birth so easily and without the excruciating pain? They > > trust in the natural process and they believe that it doesn't hurt and it > > doesn't. They are also part of a supporting community, something which is > > missing in our culture today with so many women focused on working rather > > than being at home and their mothers, aunties etc. who are out there > working > > as well. Many young mothers have no one to turn to except their maternal > > health nurses. > > > > When I've attended a birth and wittness a woman giving birth gently and a > > midwife in tears because she hasn't wittnessed a natural birth for such a > > long time, I know that I'm on the right track. Mind you I have had the > gruff > > midwives who tutt, tutt and try their bullying tactics but my couples > stand > > their ground and often a midwife has stomped out of the room because she > > doesn't have the control over a situation that didn't need controlling. > > There are more midwives out there who care than ones who want the control > > factor. It's the medical training and I certainly don't blame them for > > following what they have been taught. > > > > A couple I am working with at the moment, the dad is an obstetrician so > this > > program has been a real eye opener for him. His wife is relaxed and > > confident about her coming birth (2 weeks away). He said something the > other > > day that really made me smile. He said that obstericians should only be > > there for the high risk pregnancies and that midwives should deliver all > > babies. YEA! Wish they all thought like that huh? > > > > I did an interview last week for Today Tonight which I hope will go to air > > this week sometime. It interviews one of my couples and myself about their > > birth and HypnoBirthing. The couple videoed their birth and boy do I wish > I > > could show that birth to the world. A baby gently emerging into the world > > and a mother so calm and confident, no screaming and toally in control of > > her birthing. > > > > It so saddened me to read Sonia's story of Nataniel's birth and that the > > only problem was that he was breech. What are we doing? > > > > I just love reading you guys on this site, so passionate about birth too. > > You really care about the way birth is going and it gives me the > confidence > > to know that what I am teaching is giving women back their power over > their > > bodies and their birthings. > > > > OK I'll step off the soapbox now and say thankyou to all of you out there > > who want birth back to the way nature intended and for the wonderful job > you > > all do. Sorry this is so lengthy, I just get so passionate about this > > subject (as if you couldn't guess) but boy it IS time we had a say in how > > OUR birthings go. It doesn't HAVE to be that medical incident. > > > > regards > > Diane Gardner > > > > > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
